Ross Barkley

[blueblue]

I am not exactly sure what people expect from the manager.
We have a very small squad,we generally balance the books regarding purchases and sales of players and yet
we are still a top four side at present or very nearly so.
The manager has shown a great talent in being able to pick young players or players whose careers have stuttered and turn them into absolute top class players.
In general the manager has been correct about when players have been ready for the first team and even players such as Jagielka and Baines sat on the bench until they were deemed fit to play.

Barkley is a youngster with loads of talent,but is not deemed ready yet to play first team football in the premiership by a manager whose judgement so far has been sound.
If Barkley had been playing regularly how much further up the league would we be ? or further down the league ?
Barkley has already player nearly a dozen games so far in the championship so far this season and all going well will probably play as many again for Leeds.
So a nineteen year old lad playing over twenty games in the championship in a season is quite good but not so much as to risk burnout.
I saw Barkley play a couple of times on television for Shee. Wed and he looked like a youngster with potential.He did not look like a player that was so good that he could slot effortlessly into the midfield of a top premiership side(which we now are)
Everton now are a very different side to the team that Wayne Rooney played in.I wonder if a seventeen year old Wayne Rooney would get as much football in the current Everton first team.

I really do think that some patience is called for.

 

[kenada_blue]

You wont get anybody disagreeing with that mate.

Leeds, with Warnock and Spit the fcking dog.

Christ.

They'll kick the football out of him.

At least Wednesday wanted him to actually pass the ball about.

 

[kenada_blue]

Wednesday fans are gutted to miss out on him. Which is the best indication that he did well I can find.

"Barkley is an amazingly talented lad but still needs to be 'carried' and we didn't have a strong enough midfield to do it. Even with 5 in there we were getting overrun."

Theres a big hammer on the nail with that quote from a Wednesday fan.

Would the fact that he needs to be carried at the moment because hes not played enough football rule him out from playing under Moyes? Seems to be the case and something we cant afford.

For all the problems labelled at Rodwell or Vic etc they never had to be carried.

 

[Sideliner]

playing Barkley against Chelsea might be regarded as Moyes's mistake not Barkley's -
not playing Barkley against Cheltenham might also be regarded as Moyes's mistake and not Barkleys -
not playing Velios while he keeps on polishing some other turds in the team (no names no pactrels) continues to amaze me

 

[Bigmaclad]

He'll get some game time in a decent side, can't see an issue with this.

 

[Brennan]

playing Barkley against Chelsea might be regarded as Moyes's mistake not Barkley's -
not playing Barkley against Cheltenham might also be regarded as Moyes's mistake and not Barkleys -
not playing Velios while he keeps on polishing some other turds in the team (no names no pactrels) continues to amaze me

Jelavic and Anichebe are both better striking options than Vellios at the moment. Normally we play with one striker which explains why Vellios isn't getting much game time.

 

[andy4efc]

Jelavic and Anichebe are both better striking options than Vellios at the moment. Normally we play with one striker which explains why Vellios isn't getting much game time.

Dont think it would have hurt to have given him or Barkley a run out on Monday though, i mean, Naismith?? and there was no need for Hitzlsperger.

 

[Allezfan]

Jelavic and Anichebe are both better striking options than Vellios at the moment. Normally we play with one striker which explains why Vellios isn't getting much game time.

I agree with this.

I do think that Vic has only reached the level he has because Moyes has given him a lot of time on the pitch, though. And it does seem odd that he is incapable of finding the same time for Vellios (who has looked good whenever called upon).

Like as much as I like Vic there's a part of me that wonders if Vellios wouldn't have done just as well if he'd been given as many matches this season as Anichebe has.

We'll never know of course, we can only trusat that Moyes know his players better then we do but well Moyes also played Saha. McFadden and Cahill over Vellios last year when the bunch of them were basically ready for retirement.

 

[njligernj]

Not sure if mentioned yet but Leeds hate us because of some transfer stuff so perhaps this move (rather than back to Wednesday) might help smooth things over in case they get another young player we might want to buy one day.

Osman, Anichebe, Rodwell and Rooney is it, isn't it? And Rodwell never really became the player we hoped for, though Vic might just do so. I'm not convinced our coaching for youths is great, tbh. Though not many premier league clubs do much better, I suppose.

They don't -- there was a recent thread about it and we were about average (top half of the table I think). I know, NSNO, we don't want to be average. However a lot of the teams above us (aside from a few) aren't very good teams ... showing that developing young talent is moderately overrated. That doesn't mean it isn't important ... but for building a team it's the first thing fans tend to talk about like it solves everything (let's be like Barcelona!) and it's just one part of a huge puzzle. The new classification for our youth setup will help a lot (we can now scout across a larger area). Fact is a lot of this is self-fulfilling ... if you are a prized young talent and 30 clubs come to talk to you and one is Man U then a lot of the time they just go to Man U. While not every ace 12 year old works out if you get to sign almost all the ace 12 year olds one or two of them might work out. Meanwhile if you get the leftovers ... well.

 

[Mogwai]

I am not exactly sure what people expect from the manager.
We have a very small squad,we generally balance the books regarding purchases and sales of players and yet
we are still a top four side at present or very nearly so.
The manager has shown a great talent in being able to pick young players or players whose careers have stuttered and turn them into absolute top class players.
In general the manager has been correct about when players have been ready for the first team and even players such as Jagielka and Baines sat on the bench until they were deemed fit to play.

Barkley is a youngster with loads of talent,but is not deemed ready yet to play first team football in the premiership by a manager whose judgement so far has been sound.
If Barkley had been playing regularly how much further up the league would we be ? or further down the league ?
Barkley has already player nearly a dozen games so far in the championship so far this season and all going well will probably play as many again for Leeds.
So a nineteen year old lad playing over twenty games in the championship in a season is quite good but not so much as to risk burnout.
I saw Barkley play a couple of times on television for Shee. Wed and he looked like a youngster with potential.He did not look like a player that was so good that he could slot effortlessly into the midfield of a top premiership side(which we now are)
Everton now are a very different side to the team that Wayne Rooney played in.I wonder if a seventeen year old Wayne Rooney would get as much football in the current Everton first team.

I really do think that some patience is called for.

Well said......I whole heartedly agree!!!

 

[Sideliner]

Evertonia - how do you explain the 19 year old Sterling playing for England while the young Barkley was not regarded as good enough for 10 minutes against a 4th league Cheltanham with a 4-1 lead ?

 

[MartSlinger]

Evertonia - how do you explain the 19 year old Sterling playing for England while the young Barkley was not regarded as good enough for 10 minutes against a 4th league Cheltanham with a 4-1 lead ?

Big difference in a wide player playing in the PL and a CM ffs.

 

[Sideliner]

even a bigger difference playing international football compared to facing a 4th division side - ffs

 

[Steven Naismith]

Big difference in a wide player playing in the PL and a CM ffs.

THIS.
Much much more crucial postion, if he was a winger like Sterling he'd be getting more of a chance, but in the middle its more dangerous. Its quite obvious to see this as well tbh.

 

[quasi modo]

Good luck to the lad, football with Leeds is better than no football with us.