Ross Barkley

[billycopper]

The logic seems to be that they sent him to Wednesday where there were low expectations of the team and he did very well. We brought him back because we were short in midfield due to injuries to Gibson, Neville, Mirallas and Coleman. We then sent him back out to a side with greater ambition. His record in that time:

Barnsley (A) 2-0. Played the full 90 minutes and had three good chances including an effort that hit the bar in an otherwise shot-shy Leeds team.
Birmingham (A) FA Cup- Unavailable.
Bristol (H) 1-0. Played 78 minutes. Described as their "biggest spark" and assisted McCormack with the winner.
Spurs (H) FA Cup- Unavailable.
Cardiff (H) 0-1. Played the full 90 minutes. "Barkley was denied at the other end with a thumping drive from outside the penalty area".
Wolves (A) 2-2. Only introduced in injury time. Warnock opted to play 4-3-3 instead of his usual 4-4-2.
Middlesborough (A) 1-0. Not in the squad. The manager reverted back to 4-4-2 with Brown, Norris, Green and Varney in the middle of the park.

It seems like Warnock is changing the team shape and personnel on a week by week basis to try and improve results and he's possibly opted to go with more tough-tackling players. From the match reports that I've read Barkley has stood out as the player most likely to make something happen, so it is a bit odd for the manager to decide against playing him. It looks like Warnock is the problem rather than Barkley or Everton.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Of course if he doesn't make it in the Prem and ends up playing in League one it will all be because he's not good enough rather than the fact he's been handled wrong.

If you buy a plant, look after it, feed and water it properly it will then blossom into a beautiful flower.

If you buy a plant, stick it in the shed, bring it out for 1 days sun a month and then piss on it it won't grow into a beautiful flower.

I really don't see how anyone can defend the way he's been handled. Thrown into the first team, man of the match performances then pulled out after 1 mistake. Intermittent appearances then sent out on loan where he plays well.

Then bought back and either not used or given 20 mins against Chelsea and called gash when he made the same mistakes that Distin and Jelavic made when they had no one to pass to.

Then sent out on loan for a month to an idiot like Warnock.

Now? Who knows. He needs to either play regular football in centre midfield at a lower level or he needs to be slowly intergrated into our team in centre midfield. Well that should have happened 2 years ago but i'm sure the same excuses will come out that we can't risk playing him now cause we're going for Europe or every place counts. So we play some older load of rubbish instead who costs us.

 

[DanEFC92]

I remember the Villereal friendly a couple of years ago, and Barkley was MOTM. Incredible that day. Shame he hasn't been used more.

 

[billycopper]

Of course if he doesn't make it in the Prem and ends up playing in League one it will all be because he's not good enough rather than the fact he's been handled wrong.

If you buy a plant, look after it, feed and water it properly it will then blossom into a beautiful flower.

If you buy a plant, stick it in the shed, bring it out for 1 days sun a month and then piss on it it won't grow into a beautiful flower.

I really don't see how anyone can defend the way he's been handled. Thrown into the first team, man of the match performances then pulled out after 1 mistake. Intermittent appearances then sent out on loan where he plays well.

Then bought back and either not used or given 20 mins against Chelsea and called gash when he made the same mistakes that Distin and Jelavic made when they had no one to pass to.

Then sent out on loan for a month to an idiot like Warnock.

Now? Who knows. He needs to either play regular football in centre midfield at a lower level or he needs to be slowly intergrated into our team in centre midfield. Well that should have happened 2 years ago but i'm sure the same excuses will come out that we can't risk playing him now cause we're going for Europe or every place counts. So we play some older load of rubbish instead who costs us.

I think playing Fellaini in the hole has either been sussed out or he's feeling a bit burned out but Moyes is unlikely to change it just in case. It would be good to see him dropped deeper for a spell and Mirallas moved into the hole. That would free up a place on the right for Barkley. The problem is that, even if that did happen, Osman would have to be shoe-horned into the side on that flank instead. Moyes has said himself that the team is a bit tired but he'll flog it all the way to the finishing line rather than freshening things up.

 

[NewRadical]

I remember the Villereal friendly a couple of years ago, and Barkley was MOTM. Incredible that day. Shame he hasn't been used more.

Yep, and the first game of last season when we lost to QPR, he was the only bright spark that day in what was one of the worst team performances I have witnessed.

 

[ijjysmith]

Maybe he just isn't very good?

 

[toffeejack]

Maybe he just isn't very good?

but what if he is?

 

[ijjysmith]

but what if he is?

He could be. I've seen him a bit. Looks good.

But i'm more likely to beleive that he isn't all that if our management team don't think he's good enough to play. Everyone on here, me included, think he should get a look in. But there must be reasons why he doesn't. There must be. Maybe that reason is he isn't good enough.

I'm just saying.

 

[Brennan]

He could be. I've seen him a bit. Looks good.

But i'm more likely to beleive that he isn't all that if our management team don't think he's good enough to play. Everyone on here, me included, think he should get a look in. But there must be reasons why he doesn't. There must be. Maybe that reason is he isn't good enough.

I'm just saying.

No Ijjy, people who don't watch him train or have any idea what he's actually like as a person have a far better judgement on a player than Moyes.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

He could be. I've seen him a bit. Looks good.

But i'm more likely to beleive that he isn't all that if our management team don't think he's good enough to play. Everyone on here, me included, think he should get a look in. But there must be reasons why he doesn't. There must be. Maybe that reason is he isn't good enough.

I'm just saying.

I think its more than likely Moyes warped philosophy that youngsters make mistakes and he can't afford them to. Even though a fair few in the current set up constantly make mistakes and never get dropped. Moyes logic is ridiculous. See Duffy too.

 

[ijjysmith]

I think its more than likely Moyes warped philosophy that youngsters make mistakes and he can't afford them to. Even though a fair few in the current set up constantly make mistakes and never get dropped. Moyes logic is ridiculous. See Duffy too.

It could be that.

But he must see our 'experienced' players make the same mistakes? It's mental. MENTAL!!

 

[ijjysmith]

No Ijjy, people who don't watch him train or have any idea what he's actually like as a person have a far better judgement on a player than Moyes.

That's how it feels a bit mate.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

It could be that.

But he must see our 'experienced' players make the same mistakes? It's mental. MENTAL!!

I'd like to think he does, but he mustn't if Heitinga keeps getting picked.

 

[Brennan]

I'd like to think he does, but he mustn't if Heitinga keeps getting picked.

If a player is on sixty grand a week and nobody wants to buy him, and you know he's perfectly capable of playing well as he did last season then you have to play him. Otherwise you're just letting sixty grand a week go to waste completely. Nobody will buy him if he's not playing games either.

Moyes is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Don't play him and his stock goes down, and we pay sixty grand to a bench player. Play him and he might be a bit gash.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

If a player is on sixty grand a week and nobody wants to buy him, and you know he's perfectly capable of playing well as he did last season then you have to play him. Otherwise you're just letting sixty grand a week go to waste completely. Nobody will buy him if he's not playing games either.

Moyes is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Don't play him and his stock goes down, and we pay sixty grand to a bench player. Play him and he might be a bit gash.

Nobody's saying it's an easy situation, but how do you motivate a player who knows damn well he's just running his contract out and we're actively looking to sell him? Should be bringing in the young hungry pros who could be in the team for years to come.