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Ross Barkley

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Im not saying barkley would of been a permenant fixture but he would of been given a run of games there almost certainly had he shown the same things we had seen at 17/18.

cleverly was nowhere near good enough at 17/18 cant compare the two.
 
Brennan said:
I don't know, and neither do you.

We can only look at the facts, like the fact that no other prem team has such a young player at the heart of their midfield.
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Wilshere was brought in even younger than Barkley and barring that horrid injury would've clocked up many more appearances. Aaron Ramsey is another. Phil Jones had played a season for Blackburn including CM appearances before Utd signed him. Oscar has made a decent start to his Chelsea career and is still only 20, playing in the AM position where I'd rather Barkley played so any mistakes weren't as vital.

There's probably more, but young players who do get given 3 or more games a year can turn out decent like.
 

Brennan said:
I don't know, and neither do you.

We can only look at the facts, like the fact that no other prem team has such a young player at the heart of their midfield.
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Which is why they shouldn't be thrown in, they should be used as subs and introduced slowly.

We've had plenty of games where we've been winning and winning as comfortably as you can get in the prem in the last year where young players could have been given game time.

But weren't. Of course its not easy and there's always a risk but the balance between failure and reward isn't as much as what some people (including it seems Moyes) think it is.

As for Barkley and what Ijjy says, sure, there's a chance he really isn't good enough. But all the evidence (games we've seen him play and comments from inside the club ) that we've seen suggest that while he might not be good enough to play every game now, that isn't the point. The point is that he's good enough to be used as a member of our squad getting some game time which enables him to get beter as a player and allows our small squad to not be knackered by Feb.
 
neil999 said:
was wilshere at one point? hes the closest example i can think of
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Wilshere is probably the best example. He broke into the Arsenal team properly at 18 years and 7 months. However, he didn't have a double leg break aged 16 which set back his development a year.

The idea that Barkley's career (aged 19) is being ruined is madness.
 
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deathbyropeandglass said:
Which is why they shouldn't be thrown in, they should be used as subs and introduced slowly.

We've had plenty of games where we've been winning and winning as comfortably as you can get in the prem in the last year where young players could have been given game time.

But weren't. Of course its not easy and there's always a risk but the balance between failure and reward isn't as much as what some people (including it seems Moyes) think it is.

As for Barkley and what Ijjy says, sure, there's a chance he really isn't good enough. But all the evidence (games we've seen him play and comments from inside the club) that we've seen suggest that while he might not be good enough to play every game now, that isn't the point. The point is that he's good enough to be used as a member of our squad getting some game time which enables him to get beter as a player and allows our small squad to not be knackered by Feb.
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Or he could be sent out on loan like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Cole, Ferdinand, Wilshere, etc.

When he's 23 and playing for Port Vale we can talk about his career being messed up, not 19 after missing a whole year of football to injury at a crucial stage of development.

I've said before that i'd like to see Barkley get more game time, but i really don't think getting a few minutes here and there is going to be the difference between him making it and not.
 
Kind of a Catch-22 isn't it? Barkley doesn't have enough PL experience to get a run of games, and he won't get a run of games until he gets PL experience. At some point Moyes has to either fish or cut bait with this kid. My fear is he'll wait too long and the kids will either stagnate or get snapped up by some other club. Either way, if we stifle his development or he blossoms somewhere else, it's our loss.
 

canuckblue said:
Kind of a Catch-22 isn't it? Barkley doesn't have enough PL experience to get a run of games, and he won't get a run of games until he gets PL experience. At some point Moyes has to either fish or cut bait with this kid. My fear is he'll wait too long and the kids will either stagnate or get snapped up by some other club. Either way, if we stifle his development or he blossoms somewhere else, it's our loss.
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It's not so much Premier League experience as it is first team experience in front of big crowds with the weight of expectation on you, all of which you get in the Championship. It's a mental thing as much as anything.
 
Brennan said:
It's not so much Premier League experience as it is first team experience in front of big crowds with the weight of expectation on you, all of which you get in the Championship. It's a mental thing as much as anything.
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But the expectations are naturally lowered when the player knows he's on a loan deal. Different when he's playing on the parent club's first team, or playing for his place there.
Look, I'm not saying Barkley should step into a starting role right away. But by playing him in away games, say for the last half-hour, and then giving him some appearances in similar situations in home games, would mean he would gradually get used to the pressure and pace of the PL. Sending him out on loan to a lower-league club for a season, then expecting him to easily make the adjustment to the PL off the hop, is asking a bit much, IMO.
 
Wiltshire is a better player than Barkley.

The nev/hitz comments don't make sense to me as there different players playing different roles. Gibson is our deep lying player, if injured nev/hitz form back up for that role. Barkley is NOT a deep lying or def mid so wouldn't be considered to play there.

Barkley would idealy play in ossie's role, CM but a bit further forward no.8 if you like. But it would be a very big ask for him to start regular games there at this stage. I can also see in tight games it would be a worry to throw him on there in such an important posistion which I'm sure he's not experienced enough to play, even if he has the ability.

For me he has stalled through not enough playing time, is that moyes fault or the competitve ness of the games we'v been in this season making it hard to bring him on? Not sure is my answer.

For me I'd be looking to get him on from the bench a lot more. Maybe for now not CM. Bring him on off the striker or on the right. Minimal defensive responsibility maximum attacking potential when were trying to win a game.
 

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