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Ross Barkley

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evertony said:
Can you play number 10?
I imagine you would work for anyone who offered you a contract earning £5,000,000 per year guaranteed over at least 4 years.
I don't believe there's any bullying as you say....I'm sur win this age of political correctness and culture of claims one of Ross' advisors would have filed a court case against anyone apparently bullying him.
I'd also question what you think the role of his agent is, and how above board he is being with his intentions.
We clearly aren't going to agree on this, but probably both agree that we'd like him to stay and that Koeman is just what this Club needs.
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Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
 
RaleighBlue said:
Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
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While I agree with you, Koeman has only said (Correct me if I'm wrong) that if we didn't want to keep the player, we wouldn't have offered a 'very good contract', that the club will do everything in their power to keep the player, right? Other stuff is just saying Barkley we will have more competition even if he stays, that he is not sure if Barkley will stay because the contract has been on the table unsigned for a while. I don't think Koeman is the villain in this, the club are for not tying Barkley down 18 months ago to a 3-5 year contract extension. It's almost like we took Barkley for granted because he's a blue.

Koeman defended Barkley after his punch at the nightclub:

Asked whether there was any doubt over his selection Koeman said: "No, I think it is the best way to play football. To forget what happened last week.

"Of course I can understand [his celebration] because what happened this week had really a big impact for him.

"I think he was focused on the football side the rest of the week and also this afternoon.

"I think it is what happens in life. He will learn from what happens. I did myself some stupid things when I was 19, 20, 21.

"If you learn from mistakes, that is good. Everyone is human."

Koeman is no villain. I don't think he's a villain for suggesting we'd sell a high-value player if they only have 12 months left and don't sign a new contract. Everyone in football already knows that anyway.
 
RaleighBlue said:
Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
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For heavens sake, how on earth is he being treated like dirt? He's had a very patchy season, brilliant in parts and non-existant in others. He has at times looked really ordinary, and really ordinary should not be turning down the best contract Everton have ever offered anyone. Have some perspective.
 
RaleighBlue said:
Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
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Your whole argument is based on a "fact" that I'm not convinced exists.

I don't think Koeman is airing all of this in public to put pressure on him to sign. I think Koeman thinks he is bang average and not worth more than he is being offered (he may even feel he is worth less). I think he would like Ross to say I'm not signing, so he can sell him quickly and move on.

Talking to the people who sit near me at GP for the Watford game and again at arsenal the consensus was that Koeman was spot on and if Ross wanted to go, so be it, but get it over with quickly.
 

Llyrap said:
Which means absolutely nothing. Barkley talks could mean talks between the board and Koeman or any variation. Also outcome "expected" which gives plenty of wriggle room.
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Yeah I completely agree, not reading anything into it. Just posting as someone asked what it was. It's a classic Jim White post, say a bunch of stuff without actually saying anything at all. I'll wait until something is officially announced by the club or Barkley.
 
RaleighBlue said:
Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
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If Barkley had signed the contract when offered none of this discussion would have taken place. When he was first asked about Barkleys contract Koeman answered it would be dealt with and generally downplayed it. Reporters know as well as any of us the remaining time on a players contract, and I personally fail to see any answer Koeman could have given that would have disguised the fact that Barkley had still not signed.
The salient point in all this is that Ross has so far failed to sign his contract nor seemingly has he signalled his intentions to his manager, who is already faced with an early start to the next season. At the very least this is discourteous to the club,the manager and the fans.
 
Hmmm. The timing of the leak of we're very close to signing Gylfi is interesting to say the least.
Are we deliberately holding off on agreeing to Gylfis wage demands until Ross gives an answer? Is this why RK has been so urgent in demanding an answer from Ross - he's desperate to conclude Gylfi and is therefore practically pushing Ross out the door.
 
Death said:
Get P-17 on the Photoshop. fonzy, lemon. DO IT.
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RaleighBlue said:
Koeman finished 7th. If we actually do anything except best of the rest, I'll agree. I'm not jumping to conclusions that he's a genius just because he seems a stern teacher in press conferences. The home form was good. Away diabolical, and two pretty godawful runs. The jury remains out.

If I had skills worth £6,000,000/year on the open market, you can believe I would not be happy to settle for £5,000,000. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. And that's ignoring the fact that we're not talking about £5,000,000 vs what I make. We're talking fair market value for his skillset, which is ample - he's English remember?

My entire argument is that making this public is dirty negotiation. Ross or his agent did not make this public. Koeman did. Other than general tribalism I don't see what Ross has done wrong here. Yet people are on his back because he won't sign this contract when we have NO IDEA what's in it, nor do we know what else he's hearing.

If we're talking legitimate millions over the span of the contract, he would be utterly moronic to sign. And while I have no problem with Koeman trying to get him to sign, I think his public pressure methodology is unprofessional and something that, at least to me, would be more likely to cause the player in question to walk away than to sign.

Who wants to work for an a-hole boss that airs their dirty laundry in public to put pressure on them to sign a contract? I don't understand why that's difficult? Like, is it abnormal to want to work with someone that doesn't treat you like dirt?
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Ok for starters though, he's hardly treated him "like dirt". He's said that he needs to sign the contract or he'll be sold. Note, sold to another club where he'll also go and make millions, not sacked and left to fend for himself on the dole.

Secondly, we have zero idea what's gone on behind the scenes. It sounds a lot like Barkley has had this offer on the table for a LONG period of time, and hasn't come back with a yes or no. He is of course well within his rights not to sign it, but given that the club have made him what he is today (a professional with the potential to earn these huge sums) giving some clarity on his intentions by now is really the least that should be expected.

Thirdly, Koeman's loyalty and obligation is to Everton, not to Ross Barkley. If (as it seems) it's been months since the contract offer, then this is likely a "final straw" type of action to try to shake loose a conclusion.

Lastly, and as a side note, it's not like Koeman routinely brings the situation up at press conferences - he's asked about it pretty much every time he gets infront of a camera. For weeks he went with a simple "I've not heard anything new", and only latterly moved on to "he needs to sign or be sold" - which lines up with points 2 and 3 above.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Ok for starters though, he's hardly treated him "like dirt". He's said that he needs to sign the contract or he'll be sold. Note, sold to another club where he'll also go and make millions, not sacked and left to fend for himself on the dole.

Secondly, we have zero idea what's gone on behind the scenes. It sounds a lot like Barkley has had this offer on the table for a LONG period of time, and hasn't come back with a yes or no. He is of course well within his rights not to sign it, but given that the club have made him what he is today (a professional with the potential to earn these huge sums) giving some clarity on his intentions by now is really the least that should be expected.

Thirdly, Koeman's loyalty and obligation is to Everton, not to Ross Barkley. If (as it seems) it's been months since the contract offer, then this is likely a "final straw" type of action to try to shake loose a conclusion.

Lastly, and as a side note, it's not like Koeman routinely brings the situation up at press conferences - he's asked about it pretty much every time he gets infront of a camera. For weeks he went with a simple "I've not heard anything new", and only latterly moved on to "he needs to sign or be sold" - which lines up with points 2 and 3 above.
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There is no room on this forum for all this logical well thought out and well expressed opinion
We won't stand for it I tell you, we just won't tolerate it.
It doesn't sit well with FIFA17
Nice post by the way
 
Koeman wants Ross to stay.

But he wanted - and expected - a decision months ago.

If Ross is going to stay he needs to sign this deal. Koeman doesn't want Ross' future in doubt heading into next season. It needs sorting - either way - quickly.

That really is all there is to it. No more, no less.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Ok for starters though, he's hardly treated him "like dirt". He's said that he needs to sign the contract or he'll be sold. Note, sold to another club where he'll also go and make millions, not sacked and left to fend for himself on the dole.

Secondly, we have zero idea what's gone on behind the scenes. It sounds a lot like Barkley has had this offer on the table for a LONG period of time, and hasn't come back with a yes or no. He is of course well within his rights not to sign it, but given that the club have made him what he is today (a professional with the potential to earn these huge sums) giving some clarity on his intentions by now is really the least that should be expected.

Thirdly, Koeman's loyalty and obligation is to Everton, not to Ross Barkley. If (as it seems) it's been months since the contract offer, then this is likely a "final straw" type of action to try to shake loose a conclusion.

Lastly, and as a side note, it's not like Koeman routinely brings the situation up at press conferences - he's asked about it pretty much every time he gets infront of a camera. For weeks he went with a simple "I've not heard anything new", and only latterly moved on to "he needs to sign or be sold" - which lines up with points 2 and 3 above.
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great post ;)
It's worth noting that Koeman did the same thing with Clyne at Southampton. He made it very clear if he didn't sign he would be sold because players can't go into their last year and run their contracts down and he was. This situation isn't exclusive to Ross. Koeman will do exactly the same to Rom should he stay another year and not sign a new deal.
 

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