Ross Barkley

[Toast]

If Ross thinks Koeman is at times unfair then Mourinho would be a real eye opener, he should talk to his friend Luke Shaw.

Great point.
The shift United put in last night was superb.
No room for any slacking.

 

[kenada_blue]

If Ross thinks Koeman is at times unfair then Mourinho would be a real eye opener, he should talk to his friend Luke Shaw.

I don't think he finds him unfair...he probably just doesn't like him.

If Jose doesn't like you, he tells you. If he does, he turns you into a winner.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Great point.
The shift United put in last night was superb.
No room for any slacking.

And fellini looked a player (wrong thread I know )

 

[Tubey]

I agree he can become one of the best , he has most of the tools necessary.
He just needs to improve his decision making and his consistency.

Does he really? Or does he just as much as any other player does?

I mean look:

"He needs to be more consistent."

... but he offers as much as some of the perceived very best players in the league in his role over an entire season.

"He needs to improve his decision making."

... but he creates nearly as many chances as perceived visionaries like Ozil and Hazard at an inferior club.

"He needs to stop getting giving the ball away."

... but he had twice the amount of successful dribbles as Sigurdsson and, as a percentage, gave the ball away during these dribbles less than Sigurdsson. 15% less in fact.

"He needs to pass the ball forward more."

... but again, his forward passing stats and distance covered by passes are directly comparable with the very best in the league.



And so on, and so on.

Stats aren't everything (in fact, they're barely anything), but given how many people bang on about Barkley being "miles off" the top level, it's enlightening to see the evidence available simply doesn't back that up.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Does he really? Or does he just as much as any other player does?

I mean look:

"He needs to be more consistent."

... but he offers as much as some of the perceived very best players in the league in his role over an entire season.

"He needs to improve his decision making."

... but he creates nearly as many chances as perceived visionaries like Ozil and Hazard at an inferior club.

"He needs to stop getting giving the ball away."

... but he had twice the amount of successful dribbles as Sigurdsson and, as a percentage, gave the ball away during these dribbles less than Sigurdsson. 15% less in fact.

"He needs to pass the ball forward more."

... but again, his forward passing stats and distance covered by passes are directly comparable with the very best in the league.



And so on, and so on.

Stats aren't everything (in fact, they're barely anything), but given how many people bang on about Barkley being "miles off" the top level, it's enlightening to see the evidence available simply doesn't back that up.

In the bin tubes

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Does he really? Or does he just as much as any other player does?

I mean look:

"He needs to be more consistent."

... but he offers as much as some of the perceived very best players in the league in his role over an entire season.

"He needs to improve his decision making."

... but he creates nearly as many chances as perceived visionaries like Ozil and Hazard at an inferior club.

"He needs to stop getting giving the ball away."

... but he had twice the amount of successful dribbles as Sigurdsson and, as a percentage, gave the ball away during these dribbles less than Sigurdsson. 15% less in fact.

"He needs to pass the ball forward more."

... but again, his forward passing stats and distance covered by passes are directly comparable with the very best in the league.



And so on, and so on.

Stats aren't everything (in fact, they're barely anything), but given how many people bang on about Barkley being "miles off" the top level, it's enlightening to see the evidence available simply doesn't back that up.

I'm on team Barkley, and as you've shown here he has been productive. He still really needs to clean up his game though. I feel like he is mainly getting by on talent alone, and I'd like to see him more decisive with the ball. He slows down the tempo fairly often and he lets too many chances slip by holding onto the ball. People are acting like he would be simple to replace though which is clearly not the case.

 

[Tubey]

I'm on team Barkley, and as you've shown here he has been productive. He still really needs to clean up his game though. I feel like he is mainly getting by on talent alone, and I'd like to see him more decisive with the ball. He slows down the tempo fairly often and he lets too many chances slip by holding onto the ball. People are acting like he would be simple to replace though which is clearly not the case.

Slowing down the tempo isn't necessarily a bad thing. The top sides control possession and probe - Barkley is made for that.

My view is that the way we play as a club is the problem, particularly the balance of the team - not Barkley. We'd do well to build around what he offers, because that's what successful football entails.

 

[Stutheblue]

It's this simple.

Michael Keane is out of contract in 2018, and Burnley have slapped £25m on him regardless. Oxlade-Chamberlain has fizzled out in his development at Arsenal, contract expires in 2018, can't get a game in his natural role, and they are still demanding £35m to entertain talks.

People are saying we should have the same valuation for Ross Barkley as Michael Keane at Burnley and a approx. a third less than Ox at Arsenal.

It's lunacy. He's obviously worth far more than £25m in this market and those not seeing it are talking out their ring piece.

This is it mate. Every other club talks up the price for their players in similar circumstances to Barkley. So why shouldn't we also? The reality is we'll probably get less than the supposed £50m touted. But, alot depends on whether there's competition in the market for him. Personally don't want him to leave, but if he really wants to go lets play the game right to the bitter end of the window! Unless of course we're depending on funds from his sale first. Heaven forbid!

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm on team Barkley, and as you've shown here he has been productive. He still really needs to clean up his game though. I feel like he is mainly getting by on talent alone, and I'd like to see him more decisive with the ball. He slows down the tempo fairly often and he lets too many chances slip by holding onto the ball. People are acting like he would be simple to replace though which is clearly not the case.

Agree with all that mate. But most of all he needs to sign that 'kin contract or, at the least, tell us he isn't signing. I've had enough of this circus tbh, and nobody has defended the lad more on here than me.

 

[Tubey]

This is it mate. Every other club talks up the price for their players in similar circumstances to Barkley. So why shouldn't we also? The reality is we'll probably get less than the supposed £50m touted. But, alot depends on whether there's competition in the market for him. Personally don't want him to leave, but if he really wants to go lets play the game right to the bitter end of the window! Unless of course we're depending on funds from his sale first. Heaven forbid!

Spot on. I don't expect £50m - but I expect at the very least £35m, and we should disregard stupid public deadlines by a loudmouth manager and get the best we can for a club asset however long it takes to do so.

 

[Tubey]

Agree with all that mate. But most of all he needs to sign that 'kin contract or, at the least, tell us he isn't signing. I've had enough of this circus tbh, and nobody has defended the lad more on here than me.

He doesn't have to do either. If he and his agent stay silent, then it's up to the club to decide what to do, as they own the rights to his existing contract.

This whole thread doesn't happen if Koeman had allowed the club that privilege and kept his mouth shut. Now the whole world knows how weak we are in terms of having to get rid, whereas you see Burnley saying "pay us what we want or we'll keep him, or at least that's what we're telling you" on Michael Keane - two different approaches, one very obviously much better than the other.

 

[Stutheblue]

Spot on. I don't expect £50m - but I expect at the very least £35m, and we should disregard stupid public deadlines by a loudmouth manager and get the best we can for a club asset however long it takes to do so.

I'm also a bit cheesed of with Ross to be honest. Mainly because he's a Blue and I just thought it was a formality he'd sign. Clearly not, and there's seemingly a tension with him, his advisers and the Everton hierachy. Koeman included.
But I'm definitely with ypu on his valuation and how to play it with potential suitors for his services.

 

[Barnfred 55]

He doesn't have to do either. If he and his agent stay silent, then it's up to the club to decide what to do, as they own the rights to his existing contract.

This whole thread doesn't happen if Koeman had allowed the club that privilege and kept his mouth shut. Now the whole world knows how weak we are in terms of having to get rid, whereas you see Burnley saying "pay us what we want or we'll keep him, or at least that's what we're telling you" on Michael Keane - two different approaches, one very obviously much better than the other.

You know what mate. I'm so fed up with the whole saga I don't know what to think any more. Plus it's too hot today and my head hurts.

One thing I do know is that I want Barkley to stay and sign a new contract, and the more he abstains and stays quiet on the matter, the more frustrated I become. If that makes me a bad fan in some peoples eyes, so be it.

 

[evertony]

Why? So are you saying there is nobody in the England camp who plays in high pressure games? I don't think you understood my post.

You were suggesting he would flourish in high pressure games. Where's the facts to back that up? Look at our record in the so-called pressure games - being kind it's abysmal, being honest if atrocious. None of the current crop including Ross have shown any inkling that they can thrive in big pressure games. The Derby for Spurs isn't twice a year... they play Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham, all of which are considered derbies.
I want Ross to stay but like many I think the Club have offered him what he's currently worth plus a premium and that's the biggest contract EVER offered to an Everton player. Being honest he wouldn't feature in an all time top 20'Everton players so I think the offer is exceedingly good. If it's not enough for him then for me Koeman and the Board are taking exactly the right step.
I assume those slating the Club may well change tack if he turns down the contract, hangs around for another 12 months because nobody values him at the quoted price and wage demand, and then slopes off on a free....I can hear the fume now.

 

[evertony]

Must be his pen-hand

Ibiza-nitis.