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Ross Barkley

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Barnfred 55 said:
Ok mate I'll take back what I said about it being a rant. The reason I thought it was a rant were your OTT comments on Ross which I have highlighted. It's usually the sort of wording you use when going off on one, as I do myself now and again.

The highlighted bits are also the comments I don't agree with. The rest of your post I wouldn't argue with. But I must see a different player to you when I watch Barkley.

Clearly he has more than 100th of the ability that Rooney had/has.

I don't know where you sit in the ground mate, but where I sit people jump on Ross's back the second he gives the ball away, even when he's playing well. He doesn't get any leeway whatsoever, never mind more than the rest of the team.

Over the 5 years I've been watching Ross I'd probably count the number of absolute stinkers he's had on one hand. I'm only talking about Goodison games and those away matches that have seen live on TV. I really don't know where you get your "almost unceasing errors" claim from. This is a criticism frequently made against him by commentators and so called experts, who clearly don't see that much of him. His passing reliability and ball retention stats compare very favourably with like minded creative players. I sometimes watch Dele Alli and think how does he not get any stick for giving the ball away. His ball retention absolutely stinks but nobody ever says anything.

Ross for a while has been our only creative player and there is always pressure on him to perform, more so than any other current player probably than Lukaku. When he plays well, invariably Everton do. He carries our creative burden practically on his own and has done for 3/4 years now. He's still only 23.

How can you say that Ross isn't even close to being our best player? If you go by GOTs own MOM analysis he won 8 last year and was in the top 3 in 10 more. Rom won 9 and was in the top 3 5 more times. Nobody else even came close, including Gana. Based on that alone he clearly is one of our best players.

Having said all that, I agree that his inconsistency is hugely frustrating, but a part of me realises that this is as much down to the level of expectation we put on him and also his importance to the team. As much as I want him to sign a new contract I am now getting totally fed up with the silence and inactivity. I'm resigned to the fact that he probably does want a move away and, similar to Lukaku, I think it's best if this were sorted asap so we can all move on. But only if Spurs or whoever meet our valuation. We can't be giving away such a talent to our competitors for a knock down price. I'd rather make him stay and either fight for his place or play with the U23s.
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It sit in the Lower Gwladys in block GT3 mate and i travel to most away games. Yes some bells get on Ross's back for nothing and look for whipping boys but he's not the only one to get this and gets nowhere near the worst if it. He gets far more support then he does negativity from a handful of people and those that defend him near me do so even more because of the handful of bells giving him a bit of greef.

Yes obviously he does have a hundredth of the ability of Rooney that was clearly meant to illustrate a point he's not a tenth of the player Rooney was would probably be more accurate. Rarely does a game go by we're Ross doesn't make a needless mistake or downright foolish and avoidable error. Most of the time they don't make much difference to the game or have any impact but they're there never the less. I don't think it's all his fault either because he's clearly had bad advise from the previous manager and stopped letting his instincts dictate how he plays and now grossly overthinks things trying far to much.

The reason he was the main outlet of creativity 2014/15 and 15/16 was because Martinez stifled the teams creativity and made them rigidly stick to the passing game thus hampering individual players creativity.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree really mate. I respect your point of view and I'd like nothing better then for Ross to prove me wrong here and become the player some bealieve him to be but I don't see it happening because he obviously doesn't have the bottle to fight for his place if the manager isn't treating him like a kid telling him he isn't the greatest thing ever. I agree we shouldn't sell unless spurs meet our evaluation but I expect him to go for slightly less after reaching an agreement with them with add ons. I'd rather not have a player who doesn't want to be here hanging around the club like a black cloud. Again mate, I respect your view but we'll just have to disagree over Ross.
 
blue4eva77 said:
We are.

Barkley will go and that will fund Sigurdsson.

McCarthy will go and that will fund an out and out striker.

It was always the case with Lukaku going. He said so many months ago and we went on a run of signing some quality players with the money from that impending sale. Despite there being a billionaire on board, give or take a few million, we are VERY much sell to buy. The only thing that will change my mind on that, is that once Barkley and McCarthy get shipped out, after the Sigurdsson and a new striker move in, we go out and spend around 50 - 100 million MORE on players. But of course that is unlikely because the squad is already taking shape isn't it.

Sell to buy. Everton FC
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It's such facile argument. If we spend £100m more than we raise I'll be happy, what absolutely stunning logic that is.

We spent nearly £100m BEFORE Lukaku went btw.
 
Bally8 said:
Little bit older myself when Rooney left, and yeah I remember all these "Next Rooney" shouts then this kid Barkley turns up, and we all loved it.

For me something stinks with this, seriously why wouldn't he want to stay at the moment?

I am going to go all davek here but I think Koeman should lower his head on this. He wanted more Ross gave him more but it was never going to be enough.

Unlike Rooney I doubt Ross will ever wear a blue shirt again.
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Unlike Rooney I wouldn't want him to either. Rooney still makes sense for us but Barkley at his age will just be another above average premiership player. I didn't want Pienaar back and wouldn't want him either. If he goes that's his choice but I wouldn't welcome him back.
 
It's a hard decision for barkley imo.
It's a big moment in his career, topping or being in and around the top of English player states but always seems to be overlooked by every England manager?

People hating on him for maybe wanting away?
Surely he's doing what's best for his career? Not anyone elses? At this current moment spurs manager (avoid spelling) has a good record with English talent, and many people believe that Ross isn't reaching his potential? Maybe a move is what he needs?!

Everyone can see he is a confidence player, so why does koeman knock his performances in public?! Keep it behind closed doors.

If he stays it'll be great for Everton.

If he decides to take his career away from Everton he's done what he thinks is best for him.

Can anyone knock him for that?
If he wasn't a boyhood blue, people wouldn't hate on him for this.
 

mikeh72 said:
Spurs hahahahahahahahahaha
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I don't get it ?

They are by far his most obvious location and the only club that has been consistently linked with him. It's pretty clear they are interested otherwise he'd have just signed a new deal by now.

I know you seem to think he'll go to someone crap but he'll only leave us for a better club.
 
Toffe3m4n said:
Isn't every football club 'sell to buy'? Just like every business.

What a weird term to try and use as a stick to beat the club with....
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Ok we will use the real phrase.

We won't/can't sign players unless we sell first or have 100% guarantee of a player being shipped out (see Lukaku)

We'll never see this football club challenging for major honours unless we have a window where we keep our best, ship out the average for chump change and invest in some top top quality to add to what we already have. Despite us bringing in a few additions, we don't have the quality depth needed and we are a couple of injuries away from yet another season slipping away.

As things stand right now. An injury to Mason Holgate or Michael Keane and we are struggling already.
 
I don't hold anything against Barkley for wanting to leave; it's his career and his preogative, but by the same token I'm far too lacking in sentiment to go with the "boyhood blue shafting his own" line. He was a decent player, but he doesn't have a future at Goodison when you look at the other players the manager has brought in. We'll sell him to the highest bidder and move on. It's all just business.
 

blue4eva77 said:
We are.

Barkley will go and that will fund Sigurdsson.

McCarthy will go and that will fund an out and out striker.

It was always the case with Lukaku going. He said so many months ago and we went on a run of signing some quality players with the money from that impending sale. Despite there being a billionaire on board, give or take a few million, we are VERY much sell to buy. The only thing that will change my mind on that, is that once Barkley and McCarthy get shipped out, after the Sigurdsson and a new striker move in, we go out and spend around 50 - 100 million MORE on players. But of course that is unlikely because the squad is already taking shape isn't it.

Sell to buy. Everton FC
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As mentioned every club is, but we have our own funds. We won't go onto spend a further £100m more on players because we've spent loads already, and you can't simply spend for the sake of it and expect top players to join offering them a place on the bench. We've laid our foundations this window and there's plenty more in the tank for future windows to kick on. With the current buys and the muted additions, we've played a blinder and will have virtually bought a whole new team. Buying for the sake of it is a ridiculous notion.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It's such facile argument. If we spend £100m more than we raise I'll be happy, what absolutely stunning logic that is.

We spent nearly £100m BEFORE Lukaku went btw.
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By the end of this window the numbers from players sold to players brought in will roughly be around the same.

We both know it.
 
Brizzletoffee said:
It's a hard decision for barkley imo.
It's a big moment in his career, topping or being in and around the top of English player states but always seems to be overlooked by every England manager?

People hating on him for maybe wanting away?
Surely he's doing what's best for his career? Not anyone elses? At this current moment spurs manager (avoid spelling) has a good record with English talent, and many people believe that Ross isn't reaching his potential? Maybe a move is what he needs?!

Everyone can see he is a confidence player, so why does koeman knock his performances in public?! Keep it behind closed doors.

If he stays it'll be great for Everton.

If he decides to take his career away from Everton he's done what he thinks is best for him.

Can anyone knock him for that?
If he wasn't a boyhood blue, people wouldn't hate on him for this.
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How would sitting on the Suprs bench (which is all he'd be doing) be good for his career?
 

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