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Ross Barkley

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Toffeepot said:
What's your point Joey? One club it didn't work out? Big deal...he's not the first manager that's happened to which I said in the message you replied to... Maybe Ross is having difficulty signing his contract because he doesn't like the manager? ok that's fine...bye bye Ross... If you are asking me do I choose forever in potential land Ross over a manager who has definitely improved us then my answer is clear
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My point is RK lost the dressing room at valencia you quoted he did not get your facts right -OK!
 
can't put an old head on young shoulders sadly. wonder if he has spoken to Pienaar about his decision making and time at Spurs, that might give him some help in his decision making.
 

You can tell his head is still filled with Martinez-esque delusions of grandeur. A shame but we will not miss him if he ends up going, the sentimentality will go away as soon as the actual football starts again.
 
ianefc said:
What about when he bettered Potchetinno at Southampton?

Bitterness has completely engulfed you now, Joey. You are laying the blame at everyone but Barkley, with some absolutely woeful reasoning.

Edit: Or just read @bluestevon post above.
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No I answered a question to prove I was correct quote the poster stated RK never lost the Valencia dressing room -ok!
 

bluestevon said:
Was Ross playing at Valencia about ten years ago then mate?

If not - what on earth does it have to do with anything really, greatest ever manager in the game fell out with players in Ferguson - and ones who couldn't put up eventually moved on - including players a level above what Barkley is at.

Mourinho lost an entire dressing room last season - of a team he actually put together as well.

As for his time at Valencia - he took over a team that had not won any trophy the past 4 seasons and won them the cup, since that win, they have gone ten seasons without winning anything.

so Maybe he was right to try to overhaul the squad in reflection, what goes without question is that he has learned from that time, just see the way he has handled basically replacing most of the starting 11 without any significant fallout in the dressing room
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Where do I say that - I merely answered a poster who stated RK never lost the dressing room at Valencia ok!
 
Joey66 said:
Valencia the football team did not think that when they sacked him!
he lost the dressing room - the mighty striker Joachin stated we listened to RK instructions as we were in relegation trouble went out and played the opposite and won games to keep us up!
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They where in relegation trouble not due to tactics mate, but due to the fact the the core group of veteran players quit on him, so shock horror according to Joaquim (who btw wasn't a mighty striker - he was an out and out winger) - when they decided to play because they bricked themselves about getting relegated they started to win games again...

Most of the players he tried to get out the side btw, where within a season or two moved out the club and the ones who remained saw themselves demoted - by Emery the current PSG manager

As for Valencia sacking him proving anything, this is the same club that has had 12 managers in the last 5 seasons mate

Oh BTW mate, for further clarity - this is the final paragraph from the articl in the Guardian you have taken your quotes from, which sheds a little light on the picture your painting maybe

Koeman has hardly helped himself, but the real culprit is a club that's never at peace; the Dutchman walked into a viper's nest, where sporting directors and coaches are at each other's throats like a bunch of deranged emus; where, with honourable exceptions, fans are never satisfied; where president and shareholders are always at war, creating tension and instability. As Koeman boarded an empty bus on Wednesday night, the club handed out press communiqués saying there would be no formal celebration. No visit to the town council. No open-topped bus. No silly wigs. No offering to the virgin. And no one informing Koeman. Above all, no embracing of the one thing that could have brought the club together, revealing yet again what a miserable, self-destructive institution Valencia has become, one that's about to put a fourth manager in charge. If they go down many will wave goodbye, but many too will wave good riddance.
 

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