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Ross Barkley

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My point is RK lost the dressing room at valencia you quoted he did not get your facts right -OK!

no I didn't! I said he 'has not lost the dressing room' assuming that you were talking about what's important i.e Everton... If I had been talking about Valencia I would have said; 'he had not lost the dressing room'...ye know...present and past tenses and all that jazz! I don't care about Valencia Joey... I care about Everton and now and I think he's doing a great job so far... as for Barkley, there are plenty more blue talents knocking on the door and some I rate highly so I'm not worried about a local presence in the team. He wants out, he wants CL, accept it! If he cared about the club I'm sure he could sign and negotiate a deal whereby he could get sold at a good profit for the club but instead he's going to run down his contract if not sold this summer and is saying nothing... At least RL made us a few shillings in his openness about leaving as rude as he was
 
no I didn't! I said he 'has not lost the dressing room' assuming that you were talking about what's important i.e Everton... If I had been talking about Valencia I would have said; 'he had not lost the dressing room'...ye know...present and past tenses and all that jazz! I don't care about Valencia Joey... I care about Everton and now and I think he's doing a great job so far... as for Barkley, there are plenty more blue talents knocking on the door and some I rate highly so I'm not worried about a local presence in the team. He wants out, he wants CL, accept it! If he cared about the club I'm sure he could sign and negotiate a deal whereby he could get sold at a good profit for the club but instead he's going to run down his contract if not sold this summer and is saying nothing... At least RL made us a few shillings in his openness about leaving as rude as he was
I never mentioned that you did ok!
I was looking at RKs history of management ok!
 

Where do I say that - I merely answered a poster who stated RK never lost the dressing room at Valencia ok!

Joey, I take the point you are trying to make, but Valencia was a basket case at the time - not so much RK lost the dressing room as from arrival he was unable to get it back from the mess it was already in.

This contemporaneous Guardian article is a good account of what was going on at the time (April 2008). In particular:

Koeman has hardly helped himself, but the real culprit is a club that's never at peace; the Dutchman walked into a viper's nest, where sporting directors and coaches are at each other's throats like a bunch of deranged emus; where, with honourable exceptions, fans are never satisfied; where president and shareholders are always at war, creating tension and instability.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport

 
Joey, I take the point you are trying to make, but Valencia was a basket case at the time - not so much RK lost the dressing room as from arrival he was unable to get it back from the mess it was already in.

This contemporaneous Guardian article is a good account of what was going on at the time (April 2008). In particular:

Koeman has hardly helped himself, but the real culprit is a club that's never at peace; the Dutchman walked into a viper's nest, where sporting directors and coaches are at each other's throats like a bunch of deranged emus; where, with honourable exceptions, fans are never satisfied; where president and shareholders are always at war, creating tension and instability.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport
they were 5th in the league when he arrived- ok it's a long time ago, but he does have a habit of falling out with good players ala southampton! mane and pelae his average stay at a club is 3 years too!
 

Does anyone actually know why he hasn't signed a new contract?
As far as I can tell its all speculation; the money, the manager, champions league blah blah blah.
Ross hasn't been happy for a long time IMO, started during Martinezs second year, then he was humiliated by Woy Hodgson and now he doesn't seem to gel with Koeman. Again, its just my opinion, but I think hes constantly played out of position. He's not a Number 10, hes a CM, but it would appear a succession of club and country managers don't trust him to play there
 
Where do I say that - I merely answered a poster who stated RK never lost the dressing room at Valencia ok!

Maybe the reason Ross is having difficulty in signing his contract ?????????

That implies that what happened at Valencia has any bearing on why Barkley wants to leave mate, when absolutely nothing about the situations is even remotely similar.

Barkley wants to leave because he thinks the grass is greener some-place else, no doubt having been tapped up by Spurs and with his agent in his ear.

Has Koeman been hard on the lad - no doubt, has he been unfair - don't think so, did managers like Ferguson, Mourinho and many others do similar things with other players and in some cases treat them much firmer if needed, yup they sure did.

If Ross leaves, he's leaving a team willing to pay him in excess of 100k pw, a team which is going places, his boyhood club, and here is one for you mate, a team and manager who after his late night shenanigans which where all over the media - stood by him and gave him their full backing, including being the catalyst to banning the s*n finally.

IF Koeman wanted shut of him mate, then after that incident it was the absolutely perfect time for him to do so, in reality what Koeman wants is a team that pulls together, and is committed to what we are trying to build, not with one of them always taking a look over the fence to see if the neighbours garden is better
 
Maybe the reason Ross is having difficulty in signing his contract ?????????

That implies that what happened at Valencia has any bearing on why Barkley wants to leave mate, when absolutely nothing about the situations is even remotely similar.

Barkley wants to leave because he thinks the grass is greener some-place else, no doubt having been tapped up by Spurs and with his agent in his ear.

Has Koeman been hard on the lad - no doubt, has he been unfair - don't think so, did managers like Ferguson, Mourinho and many others do similar things with other players and in some cases treat them much firmer if needed, yup they sure did.

If Ross leaves, he's leaving a team willing to pay him in excess of 100k pw, a team which is going places, his boyhood club, and here is one for you mate, a team and manager who after his late night shenanigans which where all over the media - stood by him and gave him their full backing, including being the catalyst to banning the s*n finally.

IF Koeman wanted shut of him mate, then after that incident it was the absolutely perfect time for him to do so, in reality what Koeman wants is a team that pulls together, and is committed to what we are trying to build, not with one of them always taking a look over the fence to see if the neighbours garden is better
well he lost half the dressing room!
 

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