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Ross Barkley

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Nobody seems to agree with me that playing Barkley up front is a good idea - but how do you know if it has never been tried.?
"Physicallity.touch,dribbling and energy" are characteristics of a striker Azzuri - think about it.
Gareth Bale never played as a forward/attacking midfielder for most of his career as an example.
Barkley has been tried at nr 10 many times and for me he will not make us go into the top 5 if that will be Everton's long term plan due to his lack of vision and average first touch and distribution.
Look at the great nr 10's - most are small,agile, great first touch, wonderful vision ans high work rate - not Barkley's strong points.
What is his best position then if it is not playing deep ?
Read my posts carefully - i have never said he is a bad player - but he is in my mind certainly not a world class nr 10.Some do agree with me on this point:
DualityNSNO said:
Wish he'd get better at making decisions, as his final ball/shot sometimes go very badly (or don't happen at all for some reason, usually related to dribbling past someone in a ridiculous position).

Other than that he's Boss Barkley.
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If his best ability is striking, then why not use him as such?
Or rather play him deep which has been his best position so far - but please only at nr 10 until we find the real deal to fill that position
 
He's best when he's affecting the game and getting on the ball as much as possible, whether that be deep or further forward. Forwards have less of the ball than anyone. And his finishing isn't the best.

No offense mate but although it might work on Fifa that doesn't mean it works in the real world. Playing Barkley up front is absolute crazy talk.
 
Sideliner said:
Nobody seems to agree with me that playing Barkley up front is a good idea - but how do you know if it has never been tried.?
"Physicallity.touch,dribbling and energy" are characteristics of a striker Azzuri - think about it.
Gareth Bale never played as a forward/attacking midfielder for most of his career as an example.
Barkley has been tried at nr 10 many times and for me he will not make us go into the top 5 if that will be Everton's long term plan due to his lack of vision and average first touch and distribution.
Look at the great nr 10's - most are small,agile, great first touch, wonderful vision ans high work rate - not Barkley's strong points.
What is his best position then if it is not playing deep ?
Read my posts carefully - i have never said he is a bad player - but he is in my mind certainly not a world class nr 10.Some do agree with me on this point:

If his best ability is striking, then why not use him as such?
Or rather play him deep which has been his best position so far - but please only at nr 10 until we find the real deal to fill that position
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Bergkamp, Cantona, Sheringham are all number 10 type players who don't fit your criteria. You're basically saying a number 10 has to be David Silva which isn't true.

Ross is an attacking midfielder with a unique skill set and he just starting to learn how to dominate games from that position. Why change it?

Playing striker is a completely different skill set. You need to be comfortable fighting for the ball with your back to goal all the time, you need to be prepared to make 20 or 30 runs a game without receiving the ball but keep making the runs. You need to be clinical in front of goal. Ross would be wasted up front. Striker is a specialist position.
 

More I watch him, more I think he should be an advanced midfielder, not an attacking midfielder/number 10. Found myself saying he had a poor game against Man City, but he didn't do anything wrong! We come to expect flair, trickery, creativity and incisiveness from a number 10 but he doesn't deliver those on a regular basis.

He was much more tenacious and aggressive in his younger days, he's lost a lot of that.
 
swisso said:
More I watch him, more I think he should be an advanced midfielder, not an attacking midfielder/number 10. Found myself saying he had a poor game against Man City, but he didn't do anything wrong! We come to expect flair, trickery, creativity and incisiveness from a number 10 but he doesn't deliver those on a regular basis.

He was much more tenacious and aggressive in his younger days, he's lost a lot of that.
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Was that prior to the leg break mate?
 
swisso said:
More I watch him, more I think he should be an advanced midfielder, not an attacking midfielder/number 10. Found myself saying he had a poor game against Man City, but he didn't do anything wrong! We come to expect flair, trickery, creativity and incisiveness from a number 10 but he doesn't deliver those on a regular basis.

He was much more tenacious and aggressive in his younger days, he's lost a lot of that.
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A number 8 rather than a number 10? Probably agree.
 
Azzurri said:
He's best when he's affecting the game and getting on the ball as much as possible, whether that be deep or further forward. Forwards have less of the ball than anyone. And his finishing isn't the best.

No offense mate but although it might work on Fifa that doesn't mean it works in the real world. Playing Barkley up front is absolute crazy talk.
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AJC5 said:
Bergkamp, Cantona, Sheringham are all number 10 type players who don't fit your criteria. You're basically saying a number 10 has to be David Silva which isn't true.

Ross is an attacking midfielder with a unique skill set and he just starting to learn how to dominate games from that position. Why change it?

Playing striker is a completely different skill set. You need to be comfortable fighting for the ball with your back to goal all the time, you need to be prepared to make 20 or 30 runs a game without receiving the ball but keep making the runs. You need to be clinical in front of goal. Ross would be wasted up front. Striker is a specialist position.
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swisso said:
More I watch him, more I think he should be an advanced midfielder, not an attacking midfielder/number 10. Found myself saying he had a poor game against Man City, but he didn't do anything wrong! We come to expect flair, trickery, creativity and incisiveness from a number 10 but he doesn't deliver those on a regular basis.

He was much more tenacious and aggressive in his younger days, he's lost a lot of that.
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To me he is someone who simply needs the ball as much as possible but doesnt have barry's levels of experience and calm which is completely fine for his age. Personally I would like him to try left mid again but I know most would disagree. He watches videos of zidane and imo zidane was best in that position for real madrid I guess. I would like to him try that position for at least two games and if it doesn't work out then I can see him having a very similar career to steven gerrard position wise which would be a shame. Hope I'm wrong
 

Sideliner said:
Nobody seems to agree with me that playing Barkley up front is a good idea - but how do you know if it has never been tried.?
"Physicallity.touch,dribbling and energy" are characteristics of a striker Azzuri - think about it.
Gareth Bale never played as a forward/attacking midfielder for most of his career as an example.
Barkley has been tried at nr 10 many times and for me he will not make us go into the top 5 if that will be Everton's long term plan due to his lack of vision and average first touch and distribution.
Look at the great nr 10's - most are small,agile, great first touch, wonderful vision ans high work rate - not Barkley's strong points.
What is his best position then if it is not playing deep ?
Read my posts carefully - i have never said he is a bad player - but he is in my mind certainly not a world class nr 10.Some do agree with me on this point:

If his best ability is striking, then why not use him as such?
Or rather play him deep which has been his best position so far - but please only at nr 10 until we find the real deal to fill that position
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You don't need to try it to know it won't work.... It's like playing jags up there.... Doesn't need to be tried as it will not work....
 
I think some posters on here don't actually watch Barkley. It does my head in when people say he should be this or that. He is what he is and thats Everton's best player in 20 plus years. His strengths are being able to receive the ball in any situation, retain it, draw in multiple opponents and then pass to an available team-mate. On top of that he can carry the ball half the pitch, can score, assist. Anything else? He's not the player some on here crave and receives unfair criticism for not being so.
 
Jimmy1 said:
I think some posters on here don't actually watch Barkley. It does my head in when people say he should be this or that. He is what he is and thats Everton's best player in 20 plus years. His strengths are being able to receive the ball in any situation, retain it, draw in multiple opponents and then pass to an available team-mate. On top of that he can carry the ball half the pitch, can score, assist. Anything else? He's not the player some on here crave and receives unfair criticism for not being so.
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This one made me laugh

Barkley has been tried at nr 10 many times and for me he will not make us go into the top 5 if that will be Everton's long term plan due to his lack of vision and average first touch and distribution.
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Average first touch? Almost every time he receives the ball he has to turn two men, and usually succeeds
 
Sideliner said:
Nobody seems to agree with me that playing Barkley up front is a good idea - but how do you know if it has never been tried.?
"Physicallity.touch,dribbling and energy" are characteristics of a striker Azzuri - think about it.
Gareth Bale never played as a forward/attacking midfielder for most of his career as an example.
Barkley has been tried at nr 10 many times and for me he will not make us go into the top 5 if that will be Everton's long term plan due to his lack of vision and average first touch and distribution.
Look at the great nr 10's - most are small,agile, great first touch, wonderful vision ans high work rate - not Barkley's strong points.
What is his best position then if it is not playing deep ?
Read my posts carefully - i have never said he is a bad player - but he is in my mind certainly not a world class nr 10.Some do agree with me on this point:

If his best ability is striking, then why not use him as such?
Or rather play him deep which has been his best position so far - but please only at nr 10 until we find the real deal to fill that position
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Ross Barkley's best ability is striking? Do you mean striking a ball? For every great goal he has he skies 10 efforts.

Nonsense suggesting Barkley as a striker.
 

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