Ross Barkley

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Tubey said:
If Barkley had been our worst player this season, or even in the last few months, I'd agree with dropping him.

Fact is, he hasn't been. Far from it. In fact, he's been one of our best three, alongside Lukaku.
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For the first half of the season yes, been so so since after Christmas
 
Tubey said:
Again, why? Personally, I'm happy with a marker moving out of position with the ball towards our two holding midfielder, because if he's dispossessed then Barkley is in space isn't he?

Instead of, you know, in no man's land in our own half.

Worth a thought maybe?
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I've thought about it. And do you know what?

I'm still right and you're still wrong. Barkley is not - nor should he EVER be - exempt from a bit of defensive work. Under ANY circumstance.


You're coming across a bit like those pcso's who let that kid drown because it wasn't their job to save him. When there's a need for him to mark or make a tackle then he should do so.
 
sageyefc said:
The issue is when theres a player not 5 yards from him and he still doesn't press, ever. H lets them have a free run at our dms, so they either get swamped out or one of them has to step out and leave the gaps. No ones saying run around like a headless chicken, just at certain times do a bit of the dirty side.
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If one of the opposition steps out of their half to attack, then Barkley should not track them.

I'm sorry if people can't understand why, but that's why we play with two holding midfielders.

If he tracked them, he really wouldn't be doing his job. He'd be doing a completely other one.
 

Whistlin' Dixie said:
I've thought about it. And do you know what?

I'm still right and you're still wrong. Barkley is not - nor should he EVER be - exempt from a bit of defensive work. Under ANY circumstance.


You're coming across a bit like those pcso's who let that kid drown because it wasn't their job to save him. When there's a need for him to mark or make a tackle then he should do so.
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Agreed!

Thing is, under our system, there is no need for him to do so.

So... yeah. That's where you're making the mistake.
 
Tubey said:
It works on sliding scales. Barkley does not have any job allocated to him to defend. That's the way the system is tactically set up.

If you have a problem with that, look at the manager, not the player playing to instruction.

As said, if we played a different system, then perhaps Barkley would be required to defend and would then deserve criticism. As we don't, he doesn't, so he shouldn't.

Using that analogy again, if the electrician had nothing to do, that would mean the management of the job was at fault, wouldn't it?
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Whether it's him playing to instruction or not i'm not bothered about, i'm saying he needs to do more when we don't have the ball regardless of whether it's from instruction or just not bothering.

Ever heard the phrase "defend from the front"? Sure you have, you can do that in any and every system, i'm pretty sure you can't find me an example of a football team playing a system where the attacking midfielder doesn't have to do any defensive work when not in posession because "thats not his job". It is a part of his job. Not his main one, but still something he needs to do to help make us a better more effective team.

Again, thats not busting his arse running around after the ball like a headless chicken for 90 mins. It's putting a bit of pressure on an opposition defense when they are playing the ball out of the back rather than strolling around.
 

Tubey said:
If one of the opposition steps out of their half to attack, then Barkley should not track them.

I'm sorry if people can't understand why, but that's why we play with two holding midfielders.

If he tracked them, he really wouldn't be doing his job. He'd be doing a completely other one.
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Hes allowing them a free run at us, the thing is a lot of the time he does get back within 10 or so yards but refuses to pressure or challenge
 
Seamus Colemole said:
Whether it's him playing to instruction or not i'm not bothered about, i'm saying he needs to do more when we don't have the ball regardless of whether it's from instruction or just not bothering.

Ever heard the phrase "defend from the front"? Sure you have, you can do that in any and every system, i'm pretty sure you can't find me an example of a football team playing a system where the attacking midfielder doesn't have to do any defensive work when not in posession because "thats not his job". It is a part of his job. Not his main one, but still something he needs to do to help make us a better more effective team.

Again, thats not busting his arse running around after the ball like a headless chicken for 90 mins. It's putting a bit of pressure on an opposition defense when they are playing the ball out of the back rather than strolling around.
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Of course. But we don't defend from the front in that way. We have two defensive midfielders and hold shape until the opposition come into our half. Then we press and counter. That's how we defend.

So again, Barkley doesn't defend from the front, as he shouldn't be, because we don't do it.

It's not like I'm making any of this up; they're all very obvious facts. The reality is you're wanting to see something from a player that he can't do in the system his manager employs. We don't press high, and we don't use Barkley in any defensive capacity whatsoever. So it comes down to criticising him for doing his job - which is to move into space, be available for the ball when we are in possession, and distribute intelligently with it to supporting players.
 
Tubey said:
Thing is, under our system, there is no need for him to do so.
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I've described two instances earlier (with Fellaini) when there was a need. There was no excuse for him to stand idly by.

No excuse whatsoever.

You criticise martinez for his system but not barkley for sticking rigidly to it?
 
sageyefc said:
Hes allowing them a free run at us, the thing is a lot of the time he does get back within 10 or so yards but refuses to pressure or challenge
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Of course he is, because that's how we defend - we invite opposition on and press in our half.

That's just how it is. You're asking for him to do something that doesn't happen, because he's not told to do it.
 

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