Ross Barkley

[ToffeeTim]

2 of the biggest games of the season this week and he was anonymous in both. He's not a big game player, hides away too often. That's where it comes from.

Won a pen and was generally fine in attack. It's simply adding a little bit of intensity and hunger off the ball. It's not a huge issue. Our lack of pressing is a collective issue not just Ross.

 

[mkrudden]

2 of the biggest games of the season this week and he was anonymous in both. He's not a big game player, hides away too often. That's where it comes from.

Surely you develop that with experience and age.
How old is he? Compare him to someone the same age, playing for his boyhood club and the responsibility that brings. Who is that player who you are comparing him to who is so much better?

 

[Elong]

Surely you develop that with experience and age.
How old is he? Compare him to someone the same age, playing for his boyhood club and the responsibility that brings. Who is that player who you are comparing him to who is so much better?

Our other option is Leon Osman.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

The analogy is stupid. I'm assuming eleven people are working on the job. In that instance, if someone is paid to knock the nails in and they are stood next to the electrician, then they should knock the nails in, not the electrician.

Because it's not his job.

If Barkley was the only player on the pitch, he would have to defend as well wouldn't he?

Using that analogy, if the electrician has nothing to do for 5 mins, and the carpenter has a lot of nails to bang in, the electrician should move over and help the carpenter out by banging in a few nails and then when the time comes to do some wiring go and do it, therefor they are acting better as a more effective team.

Seems to me that you are taking the argument to be that Barkley should spend all game chasing the ball down like a headless chicken and arguing against it, rather than the actual point being made.

That point being that every player on the team has to do some defensive work, the whole "thats not their job" defense is daft. It's not a defenders job to score, but they still do. It's not a forwards job to defend, but they still do. It's a players job to help their team to win a game of football, they all have roles to play when it comes to doing so, regardless of what their main role in the team might be.

Barkley needs to defend from the front more than he does. That doesn't mean he needs to be so knackered from doing so he can't create and perform in an attacking role.

He shouldn't be strolling around half arsed when a team are building an attack he should be trying to stop that attack. Not by running around like a headless chicken, but by putting more effort to close down and pressure the players than he does.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Flair players are given less responsibility defensively.
His job is to score goals (9 league this season I think?) And create them (8 assists).

LESS responsibility - not none at all.

Then his job ought to include marking players and attempting a tackle on a player not 3yds from him.

FFS some must honestly believe it's not necessary whatsoever - like martinez & barkley himself seem to think.

 

[sageyefc]

Just the poophouse comment is a little harsh.
Wasn't great today, but not awful I didn't think?

Tbh hes a massive shithouse

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Using that analogy, if the electrician has nothing to do for 5 mins, and the carpenter has a lot of nails to bang in, the electrician should move over and help the carpenter out by banging in a few nails and then when the time comes to do some wiring go and do it, therefor they are acting better as a more effective team.

Thanks mate. Not hard to fathom, is it?

 

[mkrudden]

Tbh hes a massive shithouse

Oh Sage, not you mate.

 

[mkrudden]

LESS responsibility - not none at all.

Then his job ought to include marking players and attempting a tackle on a player not 3yds from him.

FFS some must honestly believe it's not necessary whatsoever - like martinez & barkley himself seem to think.

I just think it's tactical with the old "medium block". I don't think its him choosing not to do it. That's all.

 

[arch stanton]

Barkley will be immense next season under a proper manager with a proper system who has taught him how to pick the right moment to press.

More snidery and proper diving would be welcome too.

yep all of this. Many sports are dependant upon the timing of things, he/all the team are to gung ho leaving us wide open. \We are not 'professional' enough as a team, in the first half they had a free kick when their player ran at our defender, Lennon was blocked but didnt go down and we got foook all . We need to be as horrible as everyine else or we accept we will not win anything.

 

[mightymoyes]

Our other option is Leon Osman.

or kieren dowell who has deserved a chance for months

 

[Tubey]

Using that analogy, if the electrician has nothing to do for 5 mins, and the carpenter has a lot of nails to bang in, the electrician should move over and help the carpenter out by banging in a few nails and then when the time comes to do some wiring go and do it, therefor they are acting better as a more effective team.

Seems to me that you are taking the argument to be that Barkley should spend all game chasing the ball down like a headless chicken and arguing against it, rather than the actual point being made.

That point being that every player on the team has to do some defensive work, the whole "thats not their job" defense is daft. It's not a defenders job to score, but they still do. It's not a forwards job to defend, but they still do. It's a players job to help their team to win a game of football, they all have roles to play when it comes to doing so, regardless of what their main role in the team might be.

Barkley needs to defend from the front more than he does. That doesn't mean he needs to be so knackered from doing so he can't create and perform in an attacking role.

He shouldn't be strolling around half arsed when a team are building an attack he should be trying to stop that attack. Not by running around like a headless chicken, but by putting more effort to close down and pressure the players than he does.

It works on sliding scales. Barkley does not have any job allocated to him to defend. That's the way the system is tactically set up.

If you have a problem with that, look at the manager, not the player playing to instruction.

As said, if we played a different system, then perhaps Barkley would be required to defend and would then deserve criticism. As we don't, he doesn't, so he shouldn't.

Using that analogy again, if the electrician had nothing to do, that would mean the management of the job was at fault, wouldn't it?

 

[Elong]

or kieren dowell who has deserved a chance for months

Oh you're serious.

 

[mightymoyes]

Oh you're serious.

?

 

[Elong]

Can we compare footy players to footy players and not sparkies please lads