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Ross Barkley

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Barnfred 55 said:
I'm not hiding behind anything.

Also, I haven't said anywhere that Ross doesn't give the ball away. Anybody who plays his position, taking on players, running with the ball and trying to make decisive forward passes, will give the ball away a lot more than a defensive midfielder or a defender will. My argument is that he attracts far more criticism in the media than other players in his role who lose the ball far more often.

My post that you chose to comment on was referring to the match against West Ham and the time Ross lost the ball on the edge of their box when he was surrounded by 3 defenders. It was immediately commented on by the TV analyst despite it being the first and only time during the whole game that he lost the ball whilst in possession. He also misplaced just one pass during the game when he tried to put Rom though on goal after a brilliant turn and run.

I agree that too many of our moves break down when Ross is in possession. Some of this can be put down to poor movement from colleagues, but it's mainly down to poor decision making on his part, which is a side to his game that needs real improvement. He also needs to get his head up more so he can see what's going on. But he's still only 22 and still learning, young for somebody to carry the expectancy that we place on him.
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I agree for the most part but I hardly ever see him taking on players anymore, he tends to turn back on himself and pass. Right now he certainly isn't that Mr. Creativity we are dying for in the middle. I have seen our other players getting in position for a pass from Ross but he is either just not seeing them or isn't confident enough to try it. It's not good if he is a confidence player because when the team is low on confidence it's the Ross type player, the Mr. Creativity whom you need to inspire the rest of the team. Certainly not the worst player yesterday though but worry's me more than the others because I expect a lot from him.
 
bazzer25 said:
I agree for the most part but I hardly ever see him taking on players anymore, he tends to turn back on himself and pass. Right now he certainly isn't that Mr. Creativity we are dying for in the middle. I have seen our other players getting in position for a pass from Ross but he is either just not seeing them or isn't confident enough to try it. It's not good if he is a confidence player because when the team is low on confidence it's the Ross type player, the Mr. Creativity whom you need to inspire the rest of the team. Certainly not the worst player yesterday though but worry's me more than the others because I expect a lot from him.
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Our forward line are like statues most of the time.
 
bazzer25 said:
Maybe because like time after time again they don't see anything likely as happening?
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Not for me.

That West Ham game stood out massively in the first half. Bolasie, Mirallas, Lukaku, zero movement or good movement off the ball.

He'd get it, look up, nothing on, pass to a blue shirt.

We are very poor for the most part up front.
 

bazzer25 said:
I agree for the most part but I hardly ever see him taking on players anymore, he tends to turn back on himself and pass. Right now he certainly isn't that Mr. Creativity we are dying for in the middle. I have seen our other players getting in position for a pass from Ross but he is either just not seeing them or isn't confident enough to try it. It's not good if he is a confidence player because when the team is low on confidence it's the Ross type player, the Mr. Creativity whom you need to inspire the rest of the team. Certainly not the worst player yesterday though but worry's me more than the others because I expect a lot from him.
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I think it is a confidence thing with Ross coupled wuth fitness. I also think we're trying to shoehorn him into this playmaker role that he doesnt have the full skillset for. I think our expectations are too high. There were positive signs against West Ham. Couldnt read too much into yesterday but I thought at least he put a shift in effort wise which a lot on here have accused him of not doing in the past.
 
TheFinnFan said:
Something is not right with him and his progress. If things stall further we might see him change sceneries next summer.
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...he's working for a manager who wants players to work hard and have team responsibilities every game. Barkley struggles to achieve that. A change of scenery is interesting, I'm not aware of him being linked with any top side for a number of years.
 
Eggs said:
...he's working for a manager who wants players to work hard and have team responsibilities every game. Barkley struggles to achieve that. A change of scenery is interesting, I'm not aware of him being linked with any top side for a number of years.
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If it becomes evident that he might be leaning to that - what I suggested - there will definitely be good teams ready to snatch him up. He has been our diamond and any possible enquiery has been a dead end. But....things tend to change. Lets hope he gets it together
 

Eggs said:
...he's working for a manager who wants players to work hard and have team responsibilities every game. Barkley struggles to achieve that. A change of scenery is interesting, I'm not aware of him being linked with any top side for a number of years.
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Agree there Eggs, Barkley is just not one of those players who is going to run around and be disciplined all game, he is one of those boss luxury players teams have who on their day can turn a game on it's head, and if he can get his form back to how we know he can play, then I wouldn't have a problem with him not chasing round all game, Koeman looks like he would have a problem with that though.
 
Eggs said:
....talented but lacks the application to consistently and positively impact football matches like very good players do.
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YES! There is a word I heard yesterday in a commentary ,a word that applies in the majority of cases when referring to the very best, most skilful, intelligent, strong players. That word is 'industrious' Its a word that does not describe Ross or many other Everton players at present.
 
I wonder if a loan deal would work for him, say at Inter Milan or Valencia or somewhere, a big club in Europe that's just outside CL at the moment. Maybe that type of deal would be great for his education & devleopment
 

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