2017/18 Ross Barkley

[Harryflashman]

This is how i see it.

If Chelsea offer 35mil and Spurs offer 30mil then we rightly accept Chelsea and tell spurs no. Ross then could do 2 things, do an Ox and tell Chelsea to do one, then we go back to Spurs and agree, or speak to them and do a daft u turn. He chose the latter.

This is why I doubt that we wouldn't speak to spurs, as why would we turn down the chance of 30mil when we will likely now only get 20 in Jan?

I just don't think spurs bid

Not just to you mate but general question why go through with agreeing terms with Chelsea and all that rigmarole? We all know the sketch with transfers his agent and Chelsea will have sorted out the money and obviously been speaking to Spurs if they're interested so why the brinksmanship ? It's not like we're led to believe Spurs interest came out of the blue , it's been longstanding through the summer and before .

 

[Barnfred 55]

Spurs are not going to break its wage structure for Barkley.

All the other elements, I've been saying for a while now. People believed we called the shots with regards to Barkley when it was him and his agent who controlled all the cards on this.

I agree on the proviso the player is content to sit on the sidelines for a season in WC year. I dont think he is so hes played those cards badly imo.

He's had the chance to sign a new contract with us. He wont. He had the chance to join Chelsea. He didnt.

He's holding out for a club that apparently value him lower than both Everton and Chelsea and have been happy to allow the lad to be hung out to dry in a WC year just so they can get a better deal.

Well done son. Ross and his agent may have held the better cards but they havent exactly played a blinder here.

 

[Eggs]

'I simply decided that due to my injury, it would be best to make a decision on my future and assess all my options in January when fully fit'

After running his contract down for two years he comes out with this - Does he really think we're all that stupid?

I envisage hatred on the Barmby + scale

What is it with local 'true-blues' who play for the club? Most Evertonians I know wouldn't even put another teams shirt on..never mind if doing it would lose the club millions and also risk becoming a pariah with your own people

..it really is too romantic to believe these lads are Evertonians first. They are professional footballers first and foremost, they turn up for work every day like other people and have the same work issues as other people. It is much easier to take being an Evertonian out of the equation in the evaluation of this situation.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not just to you mate but general question why go through with agreeing terms with Chelsea and all that rigmarole? We all know the sketch with transfers his agent and Chelsea will have sorted out the money and obviously been speaking to Spurs if they're interested so why the brinksmanship ? It's not like we're led to believe Spurs interest came out of the blue , it's been longstanding through the summer and before .

I'd ask the same question about Lukaku.. Why would he be 99.99% certain to agree a new contract, only for him to turn it down on the day he wss actually expected to sign.

 

[wiggum23]

Not just to you mate but general question why go through with agreeing terms with Chelsea and all that rigmarole? We all know the sketch with transfers his agent and Chelsea will have sorted out the money and obviously been speaking to Spurs if they're interested so why the brinksmanship ? It's not like we're led to believe Spurs interest came out of the blue , it's been longstanding through the summer and before .

IMO he wants to join Spurs so perhaps he was advised to go through the process with Chelsea hoping this would flush a late/higher bid from Spurs?

It's all a bit of a mess and conjecture though I suppose.

 

[Harryflashman]

I'd ask the same question about Lukaku.. Why would he be 99.99% certain to agree a new contract, only for him to turn it down on the day he wss actually expected to sign.

I take that point but Slightly Different, lukaku was in talks at his club and we've no idea how close he was or not . The rumours subsequently being the issue was the release clause .Ross left and travelled to secure the deal , clearly indicating at the very least a strong degree of interest . As others have said at best it's very messy and doesn't make a lot of sense whatever way we look at it .

 

[Eggs]

IMO he wants to join Spurs so perhaps he was advised to go through the process with Chelsea hoping this would flush a late/higher bid from Spurs?

It's all a bit of a mess and conjecture though I suppose.

..the common senses scenario is that Chelsea made a £35m offer that was deemed acceptable by Everton and Spurs would've had to match that to get to speak with the player.

The other consideration is timescale. It was very late in the window and it appears we had a dependency on that income to purchase additional players (reports again coming out of Portugal this morning about our deadline attempt to sign Jimenez) and we didn't want Spurs extending negotiations.

 

[sageyefc]

If he was so determined to join Spurs as soon as, you'd imagine he would've put in a transfer request and try and force the issue. Someone's defo had a word in his ear telling him to sit tight til January



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[Harryflashman]

IMO he wants to join Spurs so perhaps he was advised to go through the process with Chelsea hoping this would flush a late/higher bid from Spurs?

It's all a bit of a mess and conjecture though I suppose.

Surely though his agent could just say we've had a bid from Spurs and if he wanted to do a bit more tell sky and the rest of the media. If Everton wanted to get a better deal and new Barkley fancied Spurs they could simply confirm it .

 

[wiggum23]

..the common senses scenario is that Chelsea made a £35m offer that was deemed acceptable by Everton and Spurs would've had to match that to get to speak with the player.

The other consideration is timescale. It was very late in the window and it appears we had a dependency on that income to purchase additional players (reports again coming out of Portugal this morning about our deadline attempt to sign Jimenez) and we didn't want Spurs extending negotiations.

If we needed those funds to buy a forward that's a bit of a blow for our so called saviour Moshiri. Maybe that's why he was so quick to call his mate Jim.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not a million miles away from my thoughts although I can't help but feel any fee will be south of £10 million.

if you look at Spurs transfer dealings in the window the nett is close to zero.

I am not saying that they haven't had a good window but Levy is walking a tightrope in that even though £400 million of funding is in place to finance the stadium build and that added to money already spent there remains a gap in funding of amounting to over £160 million and that sum is based on estimates and not an agreed fixed cost. The fall in the value of the £ is an issue.

For me Spurs quite simply didn't have anything like £20 million let alone £30 million available hence why I am pretty sure they didn't bid.

For me there are really only two possibility as to what happened

First no point taking a medical RB would not in his current state of fitness pass one . In reality it's highly unlikely a club is going to risk £35 million and a whopping contract. The risk would be too high but hey from Everton's point of view it was too good an offer to refuse and who knows despite what I have just said even though it was unlikely you never know.

Once a fee had been agreed Chelsea will have got wind either through initial discussions with the player or Everton releasing appropriate documentation to Chelsea ,that would entail the transfer of the players medical records then no doubt the whole tone of the discussion between player and Chelsea would be different even if they were prepared to take the risk.
For instance say we will pay in year one £75 k basic (are whatever figure he is currently getting) and say £50k per appearance. Would that be acceptable if he were wanting or indeed expecting far more?

The other option is for me is all about money. Smaller or no fee be that at Chelsea or indeed Spurs in England means all or part of that £35 million or whatever can be re cycled into wages without the need for a % being paid to governing bodies. a £20 million signing on fee paid over say 5 years added to a wage of say £120 k a week is far more lucrative to the player andhis agent.

Irrespective the losers here are going to be Everton despite him being in the squad list it's highly unlikely he will ever play for Everton again but till he leaves he is still getting a decent wedge.

It was alrready out there that his hamstring injury was the worse kind and he'd be out for 3 months..

But even if the extent of the injury came as a surprise to them, Chelsea would just pull out of the deal or delay it until Jan. Nobody would blame them for that. There is no wsy that they would stand by and allow all the blame, and subsequent fallout that goes with it, to rest with the player. There is absolutely no benefit to them to do this.

No. This is all the player and his agents doing. A very small part of me is clinging on to the hope that he really has had a U turn and wants to stay at Everton. But his nonsense twitter comments yesterday pretty much put paid to that.

I'd be very surprised if he played for the club again

 

[BernieWright13]

Just go, you granite-brained bum

 

[Barnfred 55]

I take that point but Slightly Different, lukaku was in talks at his club and we've no idea how close he was or not . The rumours subsequently being the issue was the release clause .Ross left and travelled to secure the deal , clearly indicating at the very least a strong degree of interest . As others have said at best it's very messy and doesn't make a lot of sense whatever way we look at it .

By no idea you mean his agent twice saying hes staying and desl 99%+ done. Koeman saying feal was close in a presser. And SSN reporting deal agreed hours before the bombshell was dropped. Everyone, including the club, thought it was done mate.

I'm starting to hate professional footballers and their agents. Wish there were more like Seamus about.

 

[Harryflashman]

By no idea you mean his agent twice saying hes staying and desl 99%+ done. Koeman saying feal was close in a presser. And SSN reporting deal agreed hours before the bombshell was dropped. Everyone, including the club, thought it was done mate.

I'm starting to hate professional footballers and their agents. Wish there were more like Seamus about.

I appreciate that they were saying it was 99% done . I also read we wouldn't sell lukaku for less than £100m , Koeman was seeing out his contract at saints , I saw Wayne's "once a blue tshirt " , I remember Delph staying at villa to leave a couple of days later and plenty more besides.

Until something is done it's not done is it ? I don't mean that in a rude way but if you're doing something and it's 99% done for ages then there is a problem , what I meant was we don't know what the problem was although it's speculated it was the buyout but if say they wanted a £40m clause it'd be 99% forever wouldn't it .

 

[bluerobert]

Iv a mate who used to work for us, big blue he actually got me into football and Everton. He worked for Everton in the ticketing sales department, tried to flog corporate tickets, tickets to schools that sort of thing. His relationship with Everton changed once he started working there, his blue tinted glasses were lifted. I'd say they've come back now, he hasn't worked for them for years but I suppose it shows working for the club no matter what your role is possibly does make a difference to how you act towards it