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2017/18 Ross Barkley

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Maybe an improved contract offer as a show of good faith is needed? It was reported that we offered around £100k p/w to him and he wanted around that from Spurs. With Koeman gone, hopefully it'll get him back to the negotiating table. If we are going to pay has beens like Rooney £7m per year then do the same for Barkley, who would cost more, to replace, than the £35m he would earn during a 5 year contract at said £7m per annum.
 
Tubey said:
Absolute, complete nonsense. He's involved in pretty much everything we do when he plays - so much so that your criticism of his "decision making" is solely because he's on the ball so much.
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So you're saying there's no problem in his game? If he gets on the ball that's great. But how many times he loses posseasion in key areas, has that not been a concern ever since he broke in the 1st team? He was good for the last 6 months of the season. Now that Koeman is gone, all of Barkley short comings which were the topic of his discussion forgotten cos everyone wants good old local lad Ross back in the team?

I like Ross. I wanted him to up his game, but he hasn't. If he had signed that contract before the summer we'd have signed one off Sigu and Klaasen. But no, he turned his back on the club and wanted to leave. Even if he had a problem with the manager you stay at the club you genuinely love and ride out the storm. FFS Niasse has shown more guts than Ross.

As it stands, we have two quality no 10s in Sigurdsson and Klaasen who have proved in recent years that they are good footballers and more productive overall that Barkley. They should not be sacrified just cos our good old lad Barkley now suddenly has a change of heart. No team should work like that. If Barkley wants to stay, then he better be a man and prove his place. The moment we pick our form Klaasen and Sigurdsson will start looking good players for who we paid such big money.
 
faddy the blue said:
So you're saying there no problem in his game? If he gets on the ball that's great. But how many times he loses posseasion in key areas, has that not been a concern ever since he broke in the 1st team. He was good for the last 6 months of the season. Now that Koeman is gone, everyone wants good old local lad Ross back in the team because the ones we brought in are struggling cos of a lack of forwards.

I like Ross. I wanted him to up his game, but he hasn't. If he had signed that contract before the summer we'd have signed one off Sigu and Klaasen. But no, he turned his back on the club and wanted to leave. Even if he had a problem with the manager you stay at the club you genuinely love.

As it stands, we have two quality no 10s in Sigurdsson and Klaasen who have proved in recent years that they are good footballers and more productive overall that Barkley. They should not be sacrified just cos our good old lad Barkley now suddenly has a change of heart. No team should work like that. If Barkley wants to stay, then he better be a man and prove his place. The moment we pick our form Klaasen and Sigurdsson will start looking good players for who we paid such big money.
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This is something I take exception to also, his stats in regards of goals, assists might be down on the others, but in overall productivity he far far more valubale, and has a much greater influence than either, worth remembering Modric only got one goal and two assists last season in la liga, still some madrid players consider him their most valuable
 

Walken said:
If siggy or klassen in particular were anywhere Ross's level maybe theres an argument for that, as it stands getting Ross motivated, signing a new deal, we need that a lot more than 25 mill, we need it more than siggy, and we definately need it more than klassen
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What we need is a striker and movement in our attack. Otherwise Ross will just be ballooning his shots in the Park End like he usually does before scoring one after about 20 shots on goal.
 
faddy the blue said:
So you're saying there's no problem in his game? If he gets on the ball that's great. But how many times he loses posseasion in key areas, has that not been a concern ever since he broke in the 1st team? He was good for the last 6 months of the season. Now that Koeman is gone, all of Barkley short comings which were the topic of his discussion forgotten cos everyone wants good old local lad Ross back in the team?

I like Ross. I wanted him to up his game, but he hasn't. If he had signed that contract before the summer we'd have signed one off Sigu and Klaasen. But no, he turned his back on the club and wanted to leave. Even if he had a problem with the manager you stay at the club you genuinely love and ride out the storm. FFS Niasse has shown more guts than Ross.

As it stands, we have two quality no 10s in Sigurdsson and Klaasen who have proved in recent years that they are good footballers and more productive overall that Barkley. They should not be sacrified just cos our good old lad Barkley now suddenly has a change of heart. No team should work like that. If Barkley wants to stay, then he better be a man and prove his place. The moment we pick our form Klaasen and Sigurdsson will start looking good players for who we paid such big money.
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No, this isn't rose-tinted spectacles, this is an opinion I've held for a long time - fans totally underrate what Barkley does.

You contradict yourself in your own criticism - he loses possession too much, but he's not involved in the game at the same time. How does that work?
 
Walken said:
This is something I take exception to also, his stats in regards of goals, assists might be down on the others, but in overall productivity he far far more valubale, and has a much greater influence than either, worth remembering Modric only got one goal and two assists last season in la liga, still some madrid players consider him their most valuable
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That is because he's a boss passer of the ball and does not give away possession easily. Something Ross does not have in his game. His passing is average and he gives the ball away too many times.

What he has been good at is driving forward and having a shot on goal. We all can agree Ross is a confidence player. And the confidence atm is shot down. When our form improves then we can better compare Sigurdsson/Klaasen with Barkley and I believe the former 2 are overall better than Ross.
 

faddy the blue said:
That is because he's a boss passer of the ball and does not give away possession easily. Something Ross does not have in his game. His passing is average and he gives the ball away too many times.

What he has been good at is driving forward and having a shot on goal. We all can agree Ross is a confidence player. And the confidence atm is shot down. When our form improves then we can better compare Sigurdsson/Klaasen with Barkley and I believe the former 2 are overall better than Ross.
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I think you should take a look at Ross's pass completion and ball retention stats, do you really believe klassen is a better player than ross?
 
faddy the blue said:
So you're saying there's no problem in his game? If he gets on the ball that's great. But how many times he loses posseasion in key areas, has that not been a concern ever since he broke in the 1st team? He was good for the last 6 months of the season. Now that Koeman is gone, all of Barkley short comings which were the topic of his discussion forgotten cos everyone wants good old local lad Ross back in the team?

I like Ross. I wanted him to up his game, but he hasn't. If he had signed that contract before the summer we'd have signed one off Sigu and Klaasen. But no, he turned his back on the club and wanted to leave. Even if he had a problem with the manager you stay at the club you genuinely love and ride out the storm. FFS Niasse has shown more guts than Ross.

As it stands, we have two quality no 10s in Sigurdsson and Klaasen who have proved in recent years that they are good footballers and more productive overall that Barkley. They should not be sacrified just cos our good old lad Barkley now suddenly has a change of heart. No team should work like that. If Barkley wants to stay, then he better be a man and prove his place. The moment we pick our form Klaasen and Sigurdsson will start looking good players for who we paid such big money.
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Not being funny mate, but I reckon Barkley would more than match Klaassen's productivity in the Dutch league. He'd run absolute riot at that level.
 
Tubey said:
No, this isn't rose-tinted spectacles, this is an opinion I've held for a long time - fans totally underrate what Barkley does.

You contradict yourself in your own criticism - he loses possession too much, but he's not involved in the game at the same time. How does that work?
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That works with taking the ball and then having a poor decision that either results in getting dispossessed or playing a wrong pass.

That is what efficiency in your game is. Klaasen is a one touch footballer who makes the moves more fluid. That is what I saw from his game at Ajax and though he is not a driver with the ball but he is a much better finisher in the box. Sigurdsson is slow but he is more composed on the ball and his accurate in set pieces. When we have pace up front and a good striker who can feed off the vision from Sigu and Klaasen both of them will flourish. In a struggling team, even Ross will look horrendous. Most of his assists last season were finished off by Lukaku. The most Ross will do right now is drive forward with the ball and take shots. That may well be the need of the hour but in the long run I am not convinced he is the Everton Legend/Hero we all thought he was.
 

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