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Russell Brand

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Radio 4 isn't doing a very good job of ignoring Brand, neither are other media outlets. If he was saying nothing, absolutely bloody nothing then why do they keep talking about him and what he says?

If you're using how much coverage our media give something as a barometer for the content and quality of what is said you're struggling. Our media devote countless hours and column inches to discussing the relationship status of celebrities and other such mundane issues. So with all due respect, I don't think it means anything.
 
My favourite experiences since Paxman-nacht are both examples of the dialogue it sparked. Firstly my friend's 15-year-old son wrote an essay for his politics class after he read my New Statesman piece. He didn't agree with everything I said, he prefers the idea of spoiling ballots to not voting "to show we do care" maybe he's right, I don't know. The reason not voting could be effective is that if we starve them of our consent we could force them to acknowledge that they operate on behalf of The City and Wall Street; that the financing of political parties and lobbying is where the true influence lies; not in the ballot box. However, this 15-year-old is quite smart and it's quite possible that my opinions are a result of decades of drug abuse.

Maybe because he has the ear of the younger generation that they are worried by him. One of the usual traits of the establishment is to tell lies about people hence the Sun on Sunday 'Brand is having an affair'. Throughout history there has been a lot of people that have 'benefited' from capitalism but see it as a system that is unjust and rife with ecploitation. I suppose those that receive benefits from the state are 'benefiting from capitalism' as do those that work.
 
My favourite experiences since Paxman-nacht are both examples of the dialogue it sparked. Firstly my friend's 15-year-old son wrote an essay for his politics class after he read my New Statesman piece. He didn't agree with everything I said, he prefers the idea of spoiling ballots to not voting "to show we do care" maybe he's right, I don't know. The reason not voting could be effective is that if we starve them of our consent we could force them to acknowledge that they operate on behalf of The City and Wall Street; that the financing of political parties and lobbying is where the true influence lies; not in the ballot box. However, this 15-year-old is quite smart and it's quite possible that my opinions are a result of decades of drug abuse.

Maybe because he has the ear of the younger generation that they are worried by him. One of the usual traits of the establishment is to tell lies about people hence the Sun on Sunday 'Brand is having an affair'. Throughout history there has been a lot of people that have 'benefited' from capitalism but see it as a system that is unjust and rife with ecploitation. I suppose those that receive benefits from the state are 'benefiting from capitalism' as do those that work.

Who are these people that are worried about him? You think the Queen is worried? No, she's probably the most popular person in the country. You think Cameron, Clegg, Miliband care about him? Not in the slightest. You think the Sun actually think he's a threat? No.
 
He's pointing out that the political system serves politicians, not the people. I can't for the life of me understand why that isn't being applauded.

Agreed on this.

It's the laziest possible type of anarchy; moaning about the obvious for the sheer sake of moaning.

Well, lazy people who like to moan aimlessly about life ("bloody rich people" etc. etc.) have done more aimless moaning.

We've got a six out of ten government mate, what do you expect?
 
Thing is Chico, it's human nature we're up against here. I mean Merkel is pretty unpopular in Germany right now and struggling to form a coalition government, despite the country doing better than most over the last few years and being held up as an example of how a western country can flourish in a post-industrial world.

It's probably human nature to be a) envious of what other folks have, and b) of the belief that we don't have that because of external forces rather than anything we can do ourselves.

Couple that with a rather naive belief that a leader (ie a single human being) can change things on a big scale and we have the so often muddled thinking around politics.

I mean the things that Germany are being lauded for right now were tried by them a few years ago and failed, yet in different circumstances they worked. Tony Blair is largely held in high esteem, whilst Gordon Brown is largely mocked, despite Blair benefiting from the double whammy of the Internet taking off at the same time as China sent the global economy into overdrive.

Better to be lucky than great as the saying goes.

That the political system serves politicians is well known though surely? Once again though, it's human nature you're up against. I'd say most folks will look out for themselves first, and look out for others with anything they have going spare. Brand is a great example of this. With all his millions he could easily house/feed/whatever hundreds of needy folks, and himself live a life of pious modesty. He doesn't do this however.

Those working in the public sector aren't any different to the rest of society. They're not more noble and just. They're human, just like the rest.

The market system works with this basic understanding and relies on competition to keep people honest, because if customers don't like what you do, they can go somewhere else. Of course it doesn't always work, but in a so called democracy, freedom of choice is something to be heralded.

The public sector doesn't have that freedom of choice, relying instead on the silly notion that state run services are noble and just because they're not corrupted by the profit motive, when it's really that profit motive that keeps people honest.

If you accept that in life you'll get good humans and ****ty ones, the only way for things to work is to spread power out as widely as possible, thus giving folks as much control over their own life as you can.

The problem with what Brand proposes is that he wants to focus power even more than it is right now. He seems to believe that it isn't the centralisation of power that's the problem but that the people in power are, and that if only we could get some nice folks in charge it would all be better. I just don't know where he gets the idea from, especially in an age where an increasing number of hugely valuable public works, from open source software to Wikipedia, have no one in power at all really.
 

The ship of nobility in either public or private systems has long since sailed, though the desire by some to uphold the belief exists in a dwindling fashion.

I don't think Brand does want a centralised change, a lot of old 'lefties', myself included, are well aware of the flaws in socialist agendas, mainly because they are seen in the context of a capitalist world, self propelling, expanding, and by sheer size alone, bulldozing all to serve it's aim of more capitalism.

That capitalism won the battle of ideologies as played out in the cold war is a given, but that in itself coerced the public into believing there were or are, only two alternatives, Brand to me is pushing that there are more, and that all the energy we exert making profit for a few could be better used to serve the majority.

I don't think he is wrong there.
 

For what it's worth, the peer progressive thing has a kind of champion/platform here

thegovlab.org

The Governance Lab (The GovLab) aims to improve people’s lives by changing how we govern. We are seeking new ways to solve public problems using advances in technology and science.
 
His new stand up DVD is class for anyone interested, he posted the Pirate Bay link on his twitter saying that he doesn't care if people download it, he just wants people to watch it.
 

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