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Sam Allardyce V Frank Lampard

Who was the worst Everton Manager?

  • Sam Allardyce

  • Frank Lampard

  • What's the difference? both hoofball merchants!!


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No, because I hold Toffeeweb in much higher esteem than the Daily Mirror lol

Plus, it’s just an unbelievable figure. It was Tosun from Turkey ffs. It doesn’t take 27 million to get hold of Tosun from Turkey.

The Daily Mirror didn’t invent that £27m, it’s pretty much common knowledge that that’s what we paid for him.
 
When a manager is restricted by FFP then net spend is a mitigating circumstance as he started with nowt. Sell to buy makes net spend relevant and is a good argument. Allardyce didn't have the FFP problem but in the long term added to the problem especially with Tosun
Would tosun have fit inside an allardyce team once he was given money to build it rather than what we did afterwards which created the problem?

The pro and con of having allardyce here is a often tred conversation but the club did sack him extremely quickly rendering the likes of tosun surplus to requirements. Much the same way Silva's players didn't fit that well into ancelotti and the cumulation of the squad of several sacked managers not fitting into benitez and lampard side.

Teams like Chelsea sign players in spite of the manager so the next one can utilise the players better , we did the opposite and signed players to fit one specific system and then sacked the man who's system it was. Or we signed players based on agents suggestion above everyone's head and they have never fit until we got lucky.

For what it is worth allardyce would have did more than just top half finish as he would have changed the club from the inside the same way benitez wanted to. We may have even been in a better state now if we had backed him.
 

No he shouldn't have

The revisionism over his reign is despicable. People forget how awful it was just because we've had a scare since.
I thought he should of stayed at the time, my posts on here probably reflect that.

I thought another season would have likely gotten us Europa League, playing horrible football yes but we would of been in a better position
 
People blaming Sam for tosun when he was most definitely a moshiri signing … he came on sky sports boasting about how he had saw him do this and that … can’t pin that one on Sam
 
I thought he should of stayed at the time, my posts on here probably reflect that.

I thought another season would have likely gotten us Europa League, playing horrible football yes but we would of been in a better position

We would not have got Europa League. We would’ve finished between 8th and 12th again. And yes, I’d take that now before anyone starts, but that was 5 years ago and at the time that wasn’t progress.
 
We have spent a fortune and have the 7th highest wage bill in the league.

Are you sure about the wage bill ? Thought we culled a lot of our high earners over the last couple of years. As for Sam and Frank, no contest Frank all day for me, let's see what we look like after the Winter transfer window, a striker and a winger.
 
He never. I find Toffeeweb’s quote of 21 million to be far more believable.

This happens all the time with Everton. The media exaggerate everything, often to create a negative slant on things. ‘Everton have spent 600 billion and still can’t make the top half’. It’s all BS, as was that 60 million Anthony Gordon claim. Complete nonsense, didn’t happen!
No, the media get hold off information from clubs and agents and report on it. But ok believe Toffeeweb
 

When Frank turned up we had 1 win in 14. It was definite relegation form. Maybe not league position wise but thats where we were heading.
Definitely, we had to make a change, but to be deep in it this early in the season is a big worry, we don't have the luxury this season of there being teams behind us much worse
 

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