Sam Allardyce

[Papa Shango]

He’s gonna go and here why

•2 home games in a row 0 shots.

Before he got in Walcott and Tosun and got two of his most important players back (Baines and Coleman) also worth noting we have been rubbish all season in this regard.

•Didn’t we have 4 in a row of no shots.

See above


•Failed to beat the worse team in the league(that’s only won 3 games) Home and away and probably should have lost both.
Almost failed to beat a 10 man Stoke.

But we did beat Stoke...

•Played Williams and MS over and over even though they where costing us points.

This just isnt true regarding Schneiderlin. He is the manager this season who has dropped him. All he has seen recently is bit part appearances off the bench.

•Refused to play a left back at left back

Who exactly? Garbutt? He wasnt registered at first. He is also not good enough. Baines got fit and is straight back in the team.

•Said we have the same ambition as Newcastle and West Ham. Even thought we spent more then double the amount they have combined.

The West Ham who are rioting because their ambitions are not being matched? Spending money means nothing if you spend it on the wrong players. His signings have worked out so far to be fair...

• Said Tosun is the best striker in Europe we could buy, but he can’t play in the cold

He didn't say that. He played in the snow this week and scored twice.

•Lost 6 away games on the run conceding 16 goals. This from a man who makes us hard to beat.

I dont get this. Why are people expecting different results with the same players? Again he made a couple of signings, had important players come back and now we look much more balanced. He also won our two away league games. Nothing to be giddy about but its a start.

•The draw with Rs was a great result but the performance was awful and embarrassing

Seriously? Liverpool are swatting teams aside 4/5-0 on a weekly basis.

Again Allardyce has lots of flaws that can easily be levelled at him without having to make things up. He will not be here past summer because he is getting on in age and was never here for the long haul.

 

[Papa Shango]

You don’t win anything with kids hmmm wonder who said that

That was a massive anomaly though. A once in a life time bunch of players.

 

[Nymzee]

I doubt the club's target was for us to lose 6 consecutive away games, see no improvement in style of play and get even worse at defending set pieces. Targets can be whatever you want them to be, and if you want to be successful you have to be ruthless about achieving them.

Personally i'm not sure we will sack Allardyce, but to suggest there's no business case or precedent for doing so is ridiculous. There's plenty of both, but only from ambitious clubs who will bin anyone who doesn't meet their standards. The question is, does Moshiri want us to join that group, or not?

Possibly but his actual target will have been avoid relegation not "make us look good". He's done it, job done in March, sack him for playing boring football? I dunno, can't see how the press release would be worded.

 

[Nymzee]

Raniri(spelling) won the league got sacked within 2 months.
Rafael won the Europa league with Chelsea, got sacked

- Where were Leicester when they sacked Ranieri?
- What was Benitez's target when with Chelsea? I'd imagine win the league.

 

[Nymzee]

He’s gonna go and here why

•2 home games in a row 0 shots.
•Didn’t we have 4 in a row of no shots.
•Failed to beat the worse team in the league(that’s only won 3 games) Home and away and probably should have lost both.
Almost failed to beat a 10 man Stoke.
•Played Williams and MS over and over even though they where costing us points.
•Refused to play a left back at left back
•Said we have the same ambition as Newcastle and West Ham. Even thought we spent more then double the amount they have combined.
• Said Tosun is the best striker in Europe we could buy, but he can’t play in the cold
•Lost 6 away games on the run conceding 16 goals. This from a man who makes us hard to beat.
•The draw with Rs was a great result but the performance was awful and embarrassing

He's crap, we're crap, but he "saved" us as he was asked. Playing Morgan Schneiderlin cannot be a club justified decision to bin a manager.

I think people are missing the point I'm making here.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

2 wins in a row and it's a Fat Sam love in. It'll be interesting to see how many folks defend him after the City and RS games. Sam is going at the end of the season and he'll be happy to as well, the only reason he will have insisted on an 18month contract was to ensure he gets a nice pay-off in May.
As for the idea he saved us?? He's done fractionally better (with 50 million quids worth of new attackers and Baines and Coleman back) than Unsworth - a novice and Koeman who was rightly sacked for getting us in this mess in the first place. Even with this unbalanced shambles of a squad we were left with this season we were too good to go down, it would have been scary at times but we'd have tiptoed over the line. Sam hasn't saved us, he wasn't hired to do any such thing no more than he was brought in to guide us to the top 6. He was hired because our main targets weren't available and he was, he's experienced in the league and quite happy to walk away at any time with a fat bag of cash.

 

[Lanolin]

Possibly but his actual target will have been avoid relegation not "make us look good". He's done it, job done in March, sack him for playing boring football? I dunno, can't see how the press release would be worded.

- Where were Leicester when they sacked Ranieri?
- What was Benitez's target when with Chelsea? I'd imagine win the league.

He's crap, we're crap, but he "saved" us as he was asked. Playing Morgan Schneiderlin cannot be a club justified decision to bin a manager.

I think people are missing the point I'm making here.

Jesus, is that what football has come to, that fans are more worried about how a press release looks rather than whether the club is actually making any progress?

We have no idea what Allardyce's targets were, and while I wouldn't necessarily be surprised, I would certainly be horrified if the only objective he was given was to not relegate a team which was 5 points clear of the relegation zone. He could have picked up less than a point a game and we still wouldn't be in the relegation zone now, so would he deserve another year on that basis?

As has been said, teams sack managers because they don't feel things are going to work out all the time. Unfortunately, you're effectively saying that examples of managers being sacked for being slightly below where they were expected to be don't count, and nor do managers who are anywhere near the bottom of the league, and then claiming there are no examples of managers being sacked in this sort of situation. Well there won't be will there?!

 

[windymiller]

Seriously? Liverpool are swatting teams aside 4/5-0 on a weekly basis.

Again Allardyce has lots of flaws that can easily be levelled at him without having to make things up. He will not be here past summer because he is getting on in age and was never here for the long haul.

2 games away

 

[Bluerover]

Possibly but his actual target will have been avoid relegation not "make us look good". He's done it, job done in March, sack him for playing boring football? I dunno, can't see how the press release would be worded.

"Artistic differences".

 

[windymiller]

Possibly but his actual target will have been avoid relegation not "make us look good". He's done it, job done in March, sack him for playing boring football? I dunno, can't see how the press release would be worded.

"Stoke City and Tony Pulis confirm that they have mutually agreed that Tony will leave the club with immediate effect." - substitute the team name and the manager name. Stoke weren't relegated either.

 

[Nymzee]

Jesus, is that what football has come to, that fans are more worried about how a press release looks rather than whether the club is actually making any progress?

We have no idea what Allardyce's targets were, and while I wouldn't necessarily be surprised, I would certainly be horrified if the only objective he was given was to not relegate a team which was 5 points clear of the relegation zone. He could have picked up less than a point a game and we still wouldn't be in the relegation zone now, so would he deserve another year on that basis?

As has been said, teams sack managers because they don't feel things are going to work out all the time. Unfortunately, you're effectively saying that examples of managers being sacked for being slightly below where they were expected to be don't count, and nor do managers who are anywhere near the bottom of the league, and then claiming there are no examples of managers being sacked in this sort of situation. Well there won't be will there?!

We aren't though when he came in, are we?

 

[Yarrgh]

Not in my book.

Spot on. No loss is acceptable.

 

[windymiller]

We aren't though when he came in, are we?

What you are proposing though, is that, in the space of one season, our expectation should be readjusted to just surviving. Beyond that there is one league cup final on Allardyce's CV. That's it. Why should we expect better now that he is 63 years old and is with us? Thank him for the limited but, probably, necessary job he has done here, pay him his gigantic severance and move on, hopefully, to something that promises a bit more.

 

[Yarrgh]

does he get a bonus for keeping us up?

His body weight in gravy granules.

 

[Lanolin]

We aren't though when he came in, are we?

I don't know what the board's expectations were, but I would hope they didn't include losing 4 and 5 nil, going 7 games without a win, losing 6 consecutive away games and being knocked out of the cup in the 3rd round, so it's not as if we can say Allardyce has ticked every box is it?

If the club is ambitious, they will simply say 'Sam was brought in to stabilise the club during a difficult period and the board would like to thank him for guiding us to a top half finish this season, however Everton is a club which should be challenging for honours and we have moved swiftly to secure what we believe to be one of Europe's most highly sought after managers to take us to the level we desire'.

It's easy to get rid of him, the only issue is whether we actually want to achieve anything or if the board is happy to go back 6-7 years and just treat anything above 10th as a bonus. Their decisions this summer will tell us whether Everton is a club on the up or if the rhetoric from Moshiri was all just hot air. I'm intrigued, and a little scared, to find out.