Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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The comment about the players struck me. Unsworth - who they know and like - couldn't get the Everton Dressing Room Anarcho-Syndicalist brigade to respect him and the job he had to do, so imagine what any outsider manager faces.

They've seen off Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth and probably Allardyce. The next one in is a lamb to the slaughter. That will only change by getting shut of the arl arses: Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Rooney, Schneiderlin. Just end their contracts or sell them.

The players certainly abandoned Martinez by the end, although the manager has to be as culpable as the playing staff in that regard. As much as the likes of Baines et al ultimately refused to buy into Martinez's methodology there's also a case against the manager's inability to get the team in line.

With Koeman I'm not so sure. His heart was never in it: too arrogant from that start and lacking the kind of commitment we required. The players wouldn't have helped the issue but he was a poor appointment.

The Unsworth tenure was particularly disappointing. Not all, granted, but a lot of Evertonians expected at the very least to see an upturn in commitment from the players, which didn't really happen. It's at this stage that things appear most concerning. I don't doubt something close to 'chaos' was the norm around Finch Farm at this time and the performances were woeful. Moshiri and the board are also to blame here, though, as it was one of the most desperate and pathetic periods of attempted recruitment we've ever seen. Which brings us on to Allardyce.

Allardyce isn't being shifted out by the players. It was clear to everyone, including him, that he wasn't wanted. Moshiri and the board didn't want him and neither did the fans, and the appointment was, to be extremely generous, a circumstantially pragmatic one in a moment of panic. I don't think the players have particularly failed him, either, as we've performed pretty much exactly as an Allardyce side should. The key instigator's you've signalled out, Baines and Jagielka, have returned to the first team and played relatively well (emphasis on relatively) and there doesn't appear the kind of mutiny in the squad that was in the air around the Unsworth and late-Martinez periods. This was a big opportunity for Allardyce and he blew it by reverting to type. His narrative has attempted to sustain the myth he's been cultivating since he left Bolton but pretty much everyone sees through him now if they didn't before.

I'm all for a serious clear out this summer though. Certainly Williams and Schneiderlin should be shifted, while I don't think Rooney's own personal psychodrama over his deterioration needs to be played out at Everton any longer. I have no personal issue with Baines or Jagielka although one would imagine they will be phased out over the next 12 months if not sooner. There's easily another 5-6 names that could be added to the list.

Root and branch overhaul at board, coaching and playing level. That's the only option we have left and it's plain for anyone to see. If that fails to happen the blame sits squarely on Moshiri.
 
For me his legacy at Everton will be his desperate attempt(s) to claim that West Ham win as his doing.

As much as I don't like to see us lose, it'd be quite funny to see it come full circle as they beat us on the last day of the season.
 

For me his legacy at Everton will be his desperate attempt(s) to claim that West Ham win as his doing.

As much as I don't like to see us lose, it'd be quite funny to see it come full circle as they beat us on the last day of the season.

I can't see us winning another game TBH. Season is over and we're all just waiting for the inevitable to happen and for Sam to go. They sack him this week and maybe the players will give a crap again. If we lose tonight I fully expect him to come out and blame the players again and I wouldn't put it past him blaming the fans and the recent survey for unsettling preparations and all that.
 
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I can't see us winning another game TBH. Season is over and we're all just waiting for the inevitable to happen and for Sam to go. They sack him this week and maybe the players will give a crap again. If we lose tonight I fully expect him to come out and blame the players again and I wouldn't put it past him blaming the fans and the recent survey for unsettling preparations and all that.
To be honest I think we'll win at least two, but I still don't see that as a success for Allardyce as this 300m squad should be winning all four of our remaining games at a canter.
 
Tonight will be interesting. There will be chants against him no matter what even if it's understated. There'll be signs, banners and chants as people look to take their opportunity whilst Moshiri is there.

If we go a goal down though or we're sitting in our own half for a long spell then buckle in. The atmosphere will turn toxic and fast.
 

Tonight will be interesting. There will be chants against him no matter what even if it's understated. There'll be signs, banners and chants as people look to take their opportunity whilst Moshiri is there.

If we go a goal down though or we're sitting in our own half for a long spell then buckle in. The atmosphere will turn toxic and fast.
Signs, banners and chants? I’d have good money that there isn’t
 
Tonight will be interesting. There will be chants against him no matter what even if it's understated. There'll be signs, banners and chants as people look to take their opportunity whilst Moshiri is there.

If we go a goal down though or we're sitting in our own half for a long spell then buckle in. The atmosphere will turn toxic and fast.
it's on TV too. If ever a chance to really make our feelings known it's tonight.
 
Blues, there's more chance we'll re-brand to a Celtic fan site for next season than Sam Allardyce being Everton manager next season.

It'll be Silva, unless Moshiri has had a drastic change of mind and allows Brands to select or reacts to short-termism fan sentiment an Fonseca.
Silva?? Hmmmm he's tainted goods thew little minx ;)
 

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