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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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I thought we played well last night, and judging by the reactions from the players - they still back the manager.

Half of me wants him to be given a summer to sort out our problems, and the other wants him gone today.

He was never going to be a long-term appointment.
 

It’s weird because I can see all alternatives, I can see him getting sacked but I can also see him getting an improved contract. I think the sacking more likely as I don’t think Brands would have taken the job if Sam was staying.

What type of football do you play Sam, well I stick to 10 rules and never break them.
I wonder if Allardyce and Brands are incompatible? Short term at least. It would be some call for Brands to come right in and choose the manager. Best let him acclimatise and make that decision might be another way of looking at it....not that I advocate SA staying.
 
Half of me wants him to be given a summer to sort out our problems, and the other wants him gone today..

This is a dangerous road to go down. Where he's done the most damage to his previous clubs is in the transfer market. He wouldn't sort out anything, he would make them worse.

He's even saying himself when he's asked about transfers: "we'll see who comes available."

No plan, no strategy, just more of what hasn't worked in the first place. He'd bring in overrated crocks like Wilshere and move on promising young players like Lookman. That man should not be allowed to influence anything as long term to the club as player recruitment.
 
Agree 100%. He's done what was asked of him. No point in arguing he hasn't.

We need now a big decision from Moshiri to make good on his original stated ambitions to get us top 5/6 again. Sam Allardyce can NEVER get that for us.

Moshiri is going to face a storm if he retains SA.

I agree mate, i think he is a goner, i think he knows it to and his attitude is devil may care for a reason in my opinion of late.

On a broader level the hierarchies approach to managerial recruitment has been awful. I have a bee in my bonnet about the cost, some 50-60 mill will likely be handed out in compensation for managers if Allardyce goes, beofore looking at coaching staff since the Mosh took over. In a time were we are looking at financing a stadium and a squad that obviously needs recruiting that is unforgivable and largely damaging the club.

What appears evident to me in managerial recruitment is the chop and change approach and the damage and inconsistency in philosphey this creates reflected on the pitch and in performeces and results. We clearly recruited last summer with the Dutch philosophy or possession based football in mind, sack that manager and employ a manger who prefers a direct style of play, he spends another 50 mill on direct players in Tosun and Walcott, while the rest of the squad doesnt seem to fit, partly because they dont fit the managers philosophy, so he is shoe hornng players in i dont think he really wants or making the best of whats available.

There is no coherent plan, i was listening to Martinez last night and we know he was far from perfect, but he had a philosophy and everything stemmed from that in coaching to recruitment over three seasons. The club badly needs to recruit a manager, pick a philosophy and everything else stems from that and it needs to be committed to for a period of time.

We play like we have no identity because we dont have one, we play with a team recurtited by one manager to play a certain way, but are playing under a new manager who wants to play a different way and their skills are redundant to an extent in his new philosphey. The next managerial appointment is crucial, but the clubs approach to giving the manager time and patience needs to happen as well, since the Mos has taken over its been shockingly bad and partly responsible for where we find ourselves. We are what decisions have led us to be. if anyone thinks that is solely down to Allardyce they are fooling themselves. He has done a good job, in a basket case situation, with a team that doesn't fit his philosophy, he will go but he will have done what was asked of him. Bigger questions need to be asked higher up at Everton and of our major shareholder.
 
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This is a dangerous road to go down. Where he's done the most damage to his previous clubs is in the transfer market. He wouldn't sort out anything, he would make them worse.

He's even saying himself when he's asked about transfers: "we'll see who comes available."

No plan, no strategy, just more of what hasn't worked in the first place. He'd bring in overrated crocks like Wilshere and move on promising young players like Lookman. That man should not be allowed to influence anything as long term to the club as player recruitment.
He doesn’t but the players anymore, Brands does and I’m not sure he will buy the [Poor language removed] Allardyce will want
 
I've seen this mentioned a few times, and I have seen no evidence to suggest it's true. There are 7 sides better than us currently:

Koeman/Unsworth faced: City (A), Chelsea (A), Spurs (H), United (A), Burnley (H), Arsenal (H). That is 6 games - 3 home fixtures and 3 away.
Allardyce has faced: Liverpool (A), Chelsea (H), United (H), Spurs (A), Arsenal (A), Burnley (A), City (H), Liverpool (H). 8 games - 4 home, 4 away.

How has he had an 'easier' fixture list?

So by your own logic and going on league games only, Koeman only played 3 games against sides currently below us, and 6 against sides above us (3 home 3 away). Unsworth played 5 games against sides currently below us. Both managers had to contend with playing midweek games as well with the busy Europa league schedule, meaning they had little time to prepare for the league games.

bfs has played 13 games against sides below us (7 at home), without the midweek games meaning he has a whole week to prepare for certain opposition.

I'd say that's an easier fixture list, wouldn't you? He played WBA twice - arguably one of the worst sides in Premiership history - and barely mustered a shot on goal.
 
No, there was about 5 England England no 1 in response to the Gordies boo’s, Everton Everton was sang about 4 times maybe 5. An Theo Theo, that was it
Normal game under the lights at Goodison then.

I've always said that the Goodison crowd react to whats happening in the pitch. Far too often it takes a bad refereeing decision, rather than good footbal, to lift the fans.
 
He doesn’t but the players anymore, Brands does and I’m not sure he will buy the [Poor language removed] Allardyce will want

If Brands is buying the players (and he should if we're going to have that position at the club) then we'd need to have a manager who A. buys into those sort of players and B. would know how to work with those players.

If Brands does come in I can't see him buying many players who'd work in an Allardyce team. I also can't see Allardyce trying to make it work with players like Ziyech, Lozano etc when he'd prefer wastes of space like Wilshere.
 

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