Sam Allardyce

[davids]

Yeah, thank heavens for Sam leading us to the 4-0 victory that Unsworth managed.

I'd imagine the fact the players knowing they had an experienced manager in place might at least have had some bearing on the outcome.But then if we can't ask them we'll never know for sure will we?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I wonder if Allardyce and Brands are incompatible? Short term at least. It would be some call for Brands to come right in and choose the manager. Best let him acclimatise and make that decision might be another way of looking at it....not that I advocate SA staying.

I think I'm starting to see your thinking here Dave. I reckon you're hoping that Allardyce is kept on as manager, knowing full well that it will be absolutely catastrophic for the club, giving you an extra stick to beat Moshiri with further down the line. Don't get me wrong. If it happens Moshiri deserves everything coming to him.

But as an Evertonian, I would much rather that didn't happen as it would be putting your dislike for the owner ahead of what's best for the club.

 

[Little Ralphy]

The same West Brom who managed to beat Liverpool at Anfield, and draw against them this weekend, and beat Man United at Old Trafford recently.

No fixture in this league is easy. Obviously over a 38 game season, the league position is determined by how capable a team is, but anyone can compete on any given day which is why West Brom troubled Liverpool twice despite being vastly inferior.

So you agree he's had easier fixtures.

I agree anyone can compete on any given day, except Everton it often seems. When bfs doesn't even try against an Arsenal side who have been beaten far lesser sides, and comes out with ridiculous comments in justification.

 

[davids]

There are 2 aspects to this in my opinion.

Fans of other clubs will look at how a lot of our support never gave Allardyce a chance from the start, saw the turmoil we were in when he arrived, and now see us in 8th so find it hard to understand. I think they have some justification in criticising us for that.

However, most of them aren't watching the football on display week in week out when making their judgement. They don't see how we set up for games against Swansea away, or that he's happy to settle for a 0-0 draw against a Watford side that are there for the taking with 10-15 mins left. And the more frustrating aspect is that a lot of the media and fans of other clubs have been fed this idea that no one can possibly compete with the 'Big 6' ever again. It's laughable the way this 'Big 6' are seen as untouchable when it's existed for about 2 seasons.

Football changes very quickly and I doubt in even 5 years time, the same 6 will be finishing in the top 6 every season without fail.

Maybe a bookmaker would give you odds on that one.

 

[Khalekan]

There are 2 aspects to this in my opinion.

Fans of other clubs will look at how a lot of our support never gave Allardyce a chance from the start, saw the turmoil we were in when he arrived, and now see us in 8th so find it hard to understand. I think they have some justification in criticising us for that.

However, most of them aren't watching the football on display week in week out when making their judgement. They don't see how we set up for games against Swansea away, or that he's happy to settle for a 0-0 draw against a Watford side that are there for the taking with 10-15 mins left. And the more frustrating aspect is that a lot of the media and fans of other clubs have been fed this idea that no one can possibly compete with the 'Big 6' ever again. It's laughable the way this 'Big 6' are seen as untouchable when it's existed for about 2 seasons.

Football changes very quickly and I doubt in even 5 years time, the same 6 will be finishing in the top 6 every season without fail.

Not ever two seasons.

Last season was the first time.

This will be the second

 

[Steve Wigan]

Steve, there are probably 100 instances a day that Allardyce is called a red wine jus addicted bovine-headed brown envelope pocketing crook.

They aren't sued as, like when Steve Keen was caught on camera actually calling him a crook, Big Sammy would rather not open his back catalogue to even closer scrutiny.

If I had my way there'd be a lot more suing going on!

 

[chrissyjack]

Man Utd fan on Talksport berating us . You have Allardyce as your manager, then . Tit

 

[Barnfred 55]

Unsworth was lost,didn't take Allardyce to work that one out.

Where you a politician ffs?. Do you think his comments were justified. Yes or No?

 

[EFC78]

It’s especially hard when you have to balance Europe, cup competitions, when you have no money to spend in the winter window, when you start off with a brutal schedule, when you have a ton of injuries...

...oh wait, Sam didn’t have to deal with any of that.

By most standards, he’s not been particularly successful. If the standard is getting outplayed by Burnley and Watford, if it’s playing dreadful football, if it’s getting anhiliated by a mediocre Arsenal side, then yes, he’s fine as manager. But he should be removed just for insulting the entire organization every chance he gets.

You seem to be making excuses for the inept managerial performance of Ronald Koeman. We struggled to get past MFK Ruzomberok because the team he spent millions on was quite simply nowhere good enough. We then struggled at the start of the season because his tactics and team selections were dire.

Allardyce also inherited some of those injuries. He arrived at the very end of November. Bolasie returned on Boxing Day, Coleman returned the end of January, Baines March. So he did have to deal with that.

 

[blueblue]

I have the feeling he's still talking up his tenure here in preparation for adding it to his CV for the summer when he is released by Everton; however, I can also easily see with no great difficulty a scenario where Moshiri thinks that 15th to 8th has earned Allardyce extra time here.

What could muddy the waters is if Allardyce (understandably from his own P.O.V.) pushed for a contract that goes beyond his 18 month one - say another 12 months. That's what any manager would do if they'd been brought in on a shortish contract and they'd carried out the remit their employer set them. I cant see a feller who's been round the block numerous times sitting back and just accepting seeing out his contract as it currently stands with no possibility of being paid up for a longer period if he's released early next season.

The best thing all round is to pay him up on his existing contract and thank him and see him off down the road...which is still favourite to happen, but not a forgone conclusion by any means. I think the odds are 60/40 in favour of him being relieved of his duties.

I think that summary is about right.
I don't think Sam will ask for a contract extension now because he simply would not get it, I think he wants the extra season to be able to properly put his own stamp on the team. I am not sure that Sam wants to stay in management long term but feels he has a point to prove.
I do think there is a chance that Brands will come in and use next season(with Sam as manager) to get to know the club before a new long term manager is then brought in to work with Brands.

It would upset some on here so much it would nearly be worth it just to watch the reaction.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

I'd imagine the fact the players knowing they had an experienced manager in place might at least have had some bearing on the outcome.But then if we can't ask them we'll never know for sure will we?

Ah, so it had nothing to do with Sam, just having an experienced manager in place. Wonder how many experienced managers that have ever won anything would’ve taken credit for the win? Or would’ve declared the interim manager was in a panic?

Maybe we should do a poll to see how the fan base think? Oh wait, Sam has declared that’s a mistake, he’s above such things, the manager should not be evaluated. The head of marketing shouldn’t be able to do his job.

This guy is one of the biggest piece of garbage I’ve ever seen as manager. It’s hard to fathom how someone that has been so drab can be so arrogant.

 

[Barnfred 55]

He's an admission that we've given up on ourselves as a club

He's an admission that we've given up on ourselves as a club with ambition.

Fixed it for you

 

[davids]

Where you a politician ffs?. Do you think his comments were justified. Yes or No?

Unsworth was clearly out of his depth I think even his most ardent supporters would admit that.Why is it so important to you who did or didn't say it?

 

[mkrudden]

Interesting article and pretty much how I feel-

I know we are winning but I don't foresee it ever bringing any excitement or genuine prospects of continued success:

Everton's 1-0 win over Newcastle on Monday Night Football means that Sam Allardyce has now taken the team into the top eight but concerns over the style of play will not go away, writes Adam Bate.

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"What was wrong with our style today?"

Sam Allardyce delivered the line with a smile but the bemusement in his voice was apparent. His Everton side had just ended Newcastle's four-game winning streak with a 1-0 victory at Goodison Park. But still the questions about the team's style of play continue.

"We completely dominated the game, out-passed the opposition in their half," Allardyce told Sky Sports. "Some of our passing went astray but in fairness you can't really blame me for that can you? I don't pass the ball out there, the lads do."

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He added: "We are eighth in the league compared to fifth from bottom which tells you we are getting them better."

It is true that Everton's passing stats were superior. The home side completed more passes and had more possession. The three points did indeed lift them above Leicester into eighth spot in the table. In fact, Allardyce missed out an even more impressive statistic.

Everton have now accrued 30 points since his appointment at the end of November. That puts them among the top six clubs in the Premier League since his arrival. Above Arsene Wenger's Arsenal. Only four points below Antonio Conte's Chelsea.

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Image:The Premier League table since Allardyce's appointment at Everton
For a club that has finished outside the top six in each of the previous three seasons and was struggling in the bottom half of the table prior to Allardyce pitching up at Finch Farm, it looks an awful lot like progress.

But for some supporters, it still just looks awful.

"We will all be rubbish if we lose next week, but if we win we will be OK," said Allardyce. "So we just have to keep winning so we do not get the criticism. Keep doing what I am doing, keep winning and getting better and better.

"When does every fan like the manager?"

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The issue of Allardyce's unpopularity is already clouding the club's preparation for next season. Indeed, a survey was recently sent out to a section of supporters asking them to rate the manager's ability to get the best from the team.

That led former Football Writers' Association chairman Andy Dunn to call Everton "the most out of touch People's Club in the country" and it is proud monikers such as that People's Club one that put Allardyce's stay under the spotlight. This is the grand old team. The school of science.

Former Everton manager Roberto Martinez was acutely aware of those traditions in his three years at Goodison Park. He delivered the club's record Premier League points tally in his first season there before struggling to replicate that in his second and third campaigns.

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"Does the style matter at Everton? Yes, it does," Martinez argued, while covering the game for Monday Night Football. "If you look historically at the school of science and the titles won and the silverware, the competitive nature of the football club demands a style.

"Then it is how you are going to get that style. Are you going to win first or are you going to have the patience to build that style that is going to give you trophies and silverware?"

This is the crux of it for Allardyce. The underlying numbers during his time at Everton are not so encouraging. They offer plenty of evidence as to why belief in his methods continues to elude him despite winning the majority of his matches at Goodison Park.

While Everton dominated the ball during the first half against Newcastle, Theo Walcott's winning goal shortly after the interval was their only shot on target during the match, and it was the team's second-half retreat that was more typical of Allardyce's time in charge.

Image:Everton's underlying numbers during his time at Everton are not so impressive
Everton are a bottom-half team in terms of passes and possession since his appointment. Only Swansea have attempted fewer shots. Only Swansea have had fewer shots on target. Everton are also in the bottom two for chances created and dribbles attempted under Allardyce.

It has still been enough to get the results to help the team climb the table, albeit with a negative goal difference, but it has not been enough. The demand is for more ambition. The demand is for a brand of football that offers greater hope of progression.

"We all want to do better," said Allardyce. "Everton fans demand that we finish higher and deliver more consistent results, I accept all of that. Don't you think I want the same?"

The question is how he plans to achieve this. It is a question that is not going away.

 

[Joey66]

This means absolutely nothing though. You can spend all the money in the world on a player but if he aint good then he aint good.

Newcastle were on a very good run of form as well.

Thing is are you happy with 8th pre season would you be happy with 8th and the turgid football churned out?
Over the park they would sack their manager - just stick to our club motto nothing but the best will do!