Sam Allardyce

[davids]

Ah, so it had nothing to do with Sam, just having an experienced manager in place. Wonder how many experienced managers that have ever won anything would’ve taken credit for the win? Or would’ve declared the interim manager was in a panic?

Maybe we should do a poll to see how the fan base think? Oh wait, Sam has declared that’s a mistake, he’s above such things, the manager should not be evaluated. The head of marketing shouldn’t be able to do his job.

This guy is one of the biggest piece of garbage I’ve ever seen as manager. It’s hard to fathom how someone that has been so drab can be so arrogant.

Doubt his bank manager cares too much

 

[Barnfred 55]

I agree. But shouldn't we be looking to the future? Shouldn't we be aiming to better ourselves, instead of accepting mediocrity and knowing "our place"?
Im playing devils advocate here, and have become apathetic to the whole situation. I'm very relieved we're safe again, but I see no future with Alardyce. The very thought of him here next season fills me with dread.
What worries me most, is the board have been burned by Koeman, Walsh, and their magic bean splurge, and will settle for calmer waters.

I so wish I could become apathetic to the whole situation. This is tearing me apart as I can see the club dying in front of my eyes.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think that summary is about right.
I don't think Sam will ask for a contract extension now because he simply would not get it, I think he wants the extra season to be able to properly put his own stamp on the team. I am not sure that Sam wants to stay in management long term but feels he has a point to prove.
I do think there is a chance that Brands will come in and use next season(with Sam as manager) to get to know the club before a new long term manager is then brought in to work with Brands.

It would upset some on here so much it would nearly be worth it just to watch the reaction.

So you would happily see Everton suffer so you can see the reaction of loyal everton fans who happen to disagree with you?

Nice one mate

 

[davek]

I agree mate, i think he is a goner, i think he knows it to and his attitude is devil may care for a reason in my opinion of late.

On a broader level the hierarchies approach to managerial recruitment has been awful. I have a bee in my bonnet about the cost, some 50-60 mill will likely be handed out in compensation for managers if Allardyce goes, beofore looking at coaching staff since the Mosh took over. In a time were we are looking at financing a stadium and a squad that obviously needs recruiting that is unforgivable and largely damaging the club.

What appears evident to me in managerial recruitment is the chop and change approach and the damage and inconsistency in philosphey this creates reflected on the pitch and in performeces and results. We clearly recruited last summer with the Dutch philosophy or possession based football in mind, sack that manager and employ a manger who prefers a direct style of play, he spends another 50 mill on direct players in Tosun and Walcott, while the rest of the squad doesnt seem to fit, partly because they dont fit the managers philosophy, so he is shoe hornng players in i dont think he really wants or making the best of whats available.

There is no coherent plan, i was listening to Martinez last night and we know he was far from perfect, but he had a philosophy and everything stemmed from that in coaching to recruitment over three seasons. The club badly needs to recruit a manager, pick a philosophy and everything else stems from that and it needs to be committed to for a period of time.

We play like we have no identity because we dont have one, we play with a team recurtited by one manager to play a certain way, but are playing under a new manager who wants to play a different way and their skills are redundant to an extent in his new philosphey. The next managerial appointment is crucial, but the clubs approach to giving the manager time and patience needs to happen as well, since the Mos has taken over its been shockingly bad and partly responsible for where we find ourselves. We are what decisions have led us to be. if anyone thinks that is solely down to Allardyce they are fooling themselves. He has done a good job, in a basket case situation, with a team that doesn't fit his philosophy, he will go but he will have done what was asked of him. Bigger questions need to be asked higher up at Everton and of our major shareholder.

Couldn't agree more Neiler. It's a dogs breakfast approach to recruitment. And the cost to the club has been a scandal. IMO Moshiri has been cavalier with the club's cash on this. Player sales and increased tv cash in the two seasons he's been here have added up to £375M. That has been used on fees/wages/manager contracts and their buy outs. It is a disastrous waste of precious resources.

And yes, we do need to create a way of playing (our identity) and stick with it. Hopefully Brands brings that...although I'm not an advocate of the DoF role, tbh = more waste and bureaucracy, imo.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

You seem to be making excuses for the inept managerial performance of Ronald Koeman. We struggled to get past MFK Ruzomberok because the team he spent millions on was quite simply nowhere good enough. We then struggled at the start of the season because his tactics and team selections were dire.

Allardyce also inherited some of those injuries. He arrived at the very end of November. Bolasie returned on Boxing Day, Coleman returned the end of January, Baines March. So he did have to deal with that.

That makes no sense. The previous managers didn’t have them at all. They had us in 13th, tied in points for 12th, 2 points off of 9th. We are in 8th. So Sam didn’t have to deal with Europe, cups, almost none of the injuries, the brutal opening schedule where we played tough teams, shouldn’t he have done better? Strength of schedule alone he should have.

But yeah, he had to deal with Martina for a few months and Coleman for a month. He spent 50M in January he had it so rough.

 

[Gladystweet]

I so wish I could become apathetic to the whole situation. This is tearing me apart as I can see the club dying in front of my eyes.

My apathy has now gone mate. Just been listening to talk sport with Jim the weapon White. "Know your place little Everton" and "Careful what you wish for Everton" is the flavour of the day...while the RS love in continues. It's even been suggested, we're only angry cos dem mighty lidderpool are doing so well.

Koff to the lot of them.

 

[Joey66]

I liked Unsworth and what he was trying to do. I would’ve kept him on when most on here were desperate for him to go. But defensively we weren’t good enough. Allardyce has sacrificed a more attacking approach for a duller approach that wins more points. It was what we needed this season but I’m hoping for better next season.

Have you seen our goal difference?
Pickford a top up and coming keeper has let in over 50 odd goals with our defence he has not improved things at the back that much plus Coleman, and Baines have returned to help out!

 

[davek]

I think I'm starting to see your thinking here Dave. I reckon you're hoping that Allardyce is kept on as manager, knowing full well that it will be absolutely catastrophic for the club, giving you an extra stick to beat Moshiri with further down the line. Don't get me wrong. If it happens Moshiri deserves everything coming to him.

But as an Evertonian, I would much rather that didn't happen as it would be putting your dislike for the owner ahead of what's best for the club.

Believe me mate, my desire to see the back of Allardyce is greater than my ongoing disillusionment with the carpet bagger.

 

[chrissyjack]

Everton are Ronnie Corbett , here . " I know my place " . Koff Jim bloody White

 

[Barnfred 55]

So by your own logic and going on league games only, Koeman only played 3 games against sides currently below us, and 6 against sides above us (3 home 3 away). Unsworth played 5 games against sides currently below us. Both managers had to contend with playing midweek games as well with the busy Europa league schedule, meaning they had little time to prepare for the league games.

bfs has played 13 games against sides below us (7 at home), without the midweek games meaning he has a whole week to prepare for certain opposition.

I'd say that's an easier fixture list, wouldn't you? He played WBA twice - arguably one of the worst sides in Premiership history - and barely mustered a shot on goal.

Spot on Ralphy. Not to mention having our best player back and two decent additions in January.

 

[orly]

Have you seen our goal difference?
Pickford a top up and coming keeper has let in over 50 odd goals with our defence he has not improved things at the back that much plus Coleman, and Baines have returned to help out!

Lol.

 

[Joey66]

Good enough to do the double over you, you fat slug.

Yes withalot of juicy luck away the keeper handed us a goal the woodwork saved us twice
Last night nailed on handball ....
Two turgid performances the big Sam way i for one if I was young in the old days we votedwith our feet not in polls we had an option of staying away !

 

[davek]

Interesting article and pretty much how I feel-

I know we are winning but I don't foresee it ever bringing any excitement or genuine prospects of continued success:

Everton's 1-0 win over Newcastle on Monday Night Football means that Sam Allardyce has now taken the team into the top eight but concerns over the style of play will not go away, writes Adam Bate.

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"What was wrong with our style today?"

Sam Allardyce delivered the line with a smile but the bemusement in his voice was apparent. His Everton side had just ended Newcastle's four-game winning streak with a 1-0 victory at Goodison Park. But still the questions about the team's style of play continue.

"We completely dominated the game, out-passed the opposition in their half," Allardyce told Sky Sports. "Some of our passing went astray but in fairness you can't really blame me for that can you? I don't pass the ball out there, the lads do."

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He added: "We are eighth in the league compared to fifth from bottom which tells you we are getting them better."

It is true that Everton's passing stats were superior. The home side completed more passes and had more possession. The three points did indeed lift them above Leicester into eighth spot in the table. In fact, Allardyce missed out an even more impressive statistic.

Everton have now accrued 30 points since his appointment at the end of November. That puts them among the top six clubs in the Premier League since his arrival. Above Arsene Wenger's Arsenal. Only four points below Antonio Conte's Chelsea.

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Image:The Premier League table since Allardyce's appointment at Everton
For a club that has finished outside the top six in each of the previous three seasons and was struggling in the bottom half of the table prior to Allardyce pitching up at Finch Farm, it looks an awful lot like progress.

But for some supporters, it still just looks awful.

"We will all be rubbish if we lose next week, but if we win we will be OK," said Allardyce. "So we just have to keep winning so we do not get the criticism. Keep doing what I am doing, keep winning and getting better and better.

"When does every fan like the manager?"

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The issue of Allardyce's unpopularity is already clouding the club's preparation for next season. Indeed, a survey was recently sent out to a section of supporters asking them to rate the manager's ability to get the best from the team.

That led former Football Writers' Association chairman Andy Dunn to call Everton "the most out of touch People's Club in the country" and it is proud monikers such as that People's Club one that put Allardyce's stay under the spotlight. This is the grand old team. The school of science.

Former Everton manager Roberto Martinez was acutely aware of those traditions in his three years at Goodison Park. He delivered the club's record Premier League points tally in his first season there before struggling to replicate that in his second and third campaigns.

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"Does the style matter at Everton? Yes, it does," Martinez argued, while covering the game for Monday Night Football. "If you look historically at the school of y say about science and the titles won and the silverware, the competitive nature of the football club demands a style.

"Then it is how you are going to get that style. Are you going to win first or are you going to have the patience to build that style that is going to give you trophies and silverware?"

This is the crux of it for Allardyce. The underlying numbers during his time at Everton are not so encouraging. They offer plenty of evidence as to why belief in his methods continues to elude him despite winning the majority of his matches at Goodison Park.

While Everton dominated the ball during the first half against Newcastle, Theo Walcott's winning goal shortly after the interval was their only shot on target during the match, and it was the team's second-half retreat that was more typical of Allardyce's time in charge.

Image:Everton's underlying numbers during his time at Everton are not so impressive
Everton are a bottom-half team in terms of passes and possession since his appointment. Only Swansea have attempted fewer shots. Only Swansea have had fewer shots on target. Everton are also in the bottom two for chances created and dribbles attempted under Allardyce.

It has still been enough to get the results to help the team climb the table, albeit with a negative goal difference, but it has not been enough. The demand is for more ambition. The demand is for a brand of football that offers greater hope of progression.

"We all want to do better," said Allardyce. "Everton fans demand that we finish higher and deliver more consistent results, I accept all of that. Don't you think I want the same?"

The question is how he plans to achieve this. It is a question that is not going away.

I think Roberto repaid the favour Allardyce gave to him a few seasons ago when he put the knife into RM when he was in the studio over his possession based footy. Roberto nicely sliced Big Sam up last night by siding with his critics on the style issue.

What is it they say about revenge? A dish best served up cold....

 

[Joey66]

Lol.

Lol twice from you please mr two mirrors!

 

[Khalekan]

Big Sam to Sky "Well, what's wrong with the way we played today?"

NBC lot
"Ok guys, 1 shot on goal in 90 minutes. Is that a good thing to show why you should be kept on?"

"Not at all, if that is what he thinks then that is why he won't be here next year for Everton"

At least it seems the American media are not being taken in by the nonsense Sam’s mates in the British media are peddling.

We are on thin ice here.

As I see it, Allardyce is deffo going to start next season here.

And as there is no stability in having a manager run down the final year of a contract, I strongly suspect an extension of another year or eighteen months to be announced at season’s end.

Sad times.