Sam Allardyce

[davek]

Think Germany, brazil, Spain and France all have better squads. But Belgium has a first XI to match any of the above teams with 2 genuine world class players and 2 strikers capable as finishing as tournament top goal scorer, arguably the best defence and ne of the best 3 keepers in the world. I also think that Martinez, as a manager, is more suited to cup football.

Because their squad players are not of the same level, a lot depends on injuries and suspensions, but I've had a punt at 11-1 which I think is a decent bet.

Agree with all that mate. It'll be interesting if Martinez brings our friend on duty tonight for Roma back into the fold: Nainggolan.

 

[blueblue]

You're assuming a lot here. Maybe he didn't care what style he plays so long as the contract was right. Maybe he was told by a club official/employee you'll be here a lot longer than Sam.

Did you watch the snippet? He was almost flabbergasted they even asked the question.

I saw it, but didn't read much into it to be honest.
I think Walcott is not your average footballer.
He seems to be very well spoken, intelligent and composed.
I think his desire was to praise Wenger rather than downgrade Sam.. but that is just my opinion.

 

[everton1953]

I saw it, but didn't read much into it to be honest.
I think Walcott is not your average footballer.
He seems to be very well spoken, intelligent and composed.
I think his desire was to praise Wenger rather than downgrade Sam.. but that is just my opinion.

I wish a few of the current squad would publicly downgrade Sam. It would mean they would not get picked again which would be greatly to our benefit.

 

[COYBL25]

its like a cult the way he brainwashes people

He doesn`t brain wash them mate.

Think about this.

Up until Allardyce came to the cub, had you even given him a thought, other than that he was a crook after he blew the Ingerland job ?

The answer is probably no, as you`ve never had to.

So you`ve never really had to take notice of his footy before and just believed what his reputation / PR people said - same as everyone else.

Now he`s at the club, you`ve had to take notice of him and seen him for what he is.

He`s got friends in the media, like Jim " Sams a good friend of the show " White, et al, who he keeps in his loop of lies and mis truths, thereby guaranteeing that (a) he`s protected by some in the media (b) the Big Sam football saviour myth is carried on.

It`s what got him the Ingerland job, as the National team was in crisis / a mess.

However once you scratch the surface, you see that he`s achieved next to nothing in twenty years of management.

It`s all smoke and mirrors.

 

[davek]

With the quality they have in the squad I think they will want more than a q/f spot.

A very interesting man to listen to , but I am not sure he is suitable for the cut and thrust of club management.
I think he doesn't mix the practical enough with the desire to play good football.
If he were joint manager with a more pragmatic defensively minded person I think you may get very good results.

That's probably fair comment after listening to him last night. He defo hasn't got any intention of changing the way he sets up anytime soon. At a club he's likely to get (unless he gets Belgium to the SFs and gets a very good one in Spain or Italy) that is going to place massive pressure on his players, just as it did here.

Still, his belief that players are better than they think and should push themselves to the next level is one I think is refreshing and I always will think that way too. Obviously there are dogs who cant improve no matter what, but 99% of players just dont develop when they can with a lot of encouragement to take responsibility for their own game.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Agree with all that mate. It'll be interesting if Martinez brings our friend on duty tonight for Roma back into the fold: Nainggolan.

I thought he'd spat his dummy out rather than Martinez dropping him. Has he suddenly made himself available again? . There's a surprise.

As you know, Bobby is one to hold a grudge at times. I suspect Nainggolan would have some grovelling to do but I'm sure he'd want him in the squad if possible. He wouldn't get in my starting XI but would be great to have on the bench.

 

[davek]

I thought he'd spat his dummy out rather than Martinez dropping him. Has he suddenly made himself available again? . There's a surprise.

As you know, Bobby is one to hold a grudge at times. I suspect Nainggolan would have some grovelling to do but I'm sure he'd want him in the squad if possible. He wouldn't get in my starting XI but would be great to have on the bench.

I dont know mate. I remember that @Armel mentioned this spat a while back and I wasn't sure who was to blame or whether it's resolved/resolvable.

 

[Tubey]

It's the pure, blatant lies from the media that are doing my nut in. They're constantly pushing the narrative that we were 'going down' before Allardyce arrived. Utter horse manure.

The same bunch of simpleton 'analysts' didn't say Chelsea were going down before Mourinho left Chelsea did they? Nope - it was described, correctly, as a poor run of form and Conte wasn't given 'credit for rescuing them'.

The double standards are ridiculous. We were never in danger of going down. We were a good month away from even being in the relegation discussion. But we can only blame Moshiri for this whole thing and the eroded stature of the club - he sought to protect his investment, didn't have enough experience and went full on panic stations too early with a stupid, stupid person appointed that sent every wrong message possible to the footballing world about what Everton is.

 

[MrGrumpy]

How about if it was guaranteed Everton would lose?

It was really really boring

 

[banno]

I saw it, but didn't read much into it to be honest.
I think Walcott is not your average footballer.
He seems to be very well spoken, intelligent and composed.
I think his desire was to praise Wenger rather than downgrade Sam.. but that is just my opinion.

Your spot on mate. Nothing to read into it. He didn't mean anything from it. It was something that can be taken so out of context to make a story out of it.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

I saw it, but didn't read much into it to be honest.
I think Walcott is not your average footballer.
He seems to be very well spoken, intelligent and composed.
I think his desire was to praise Wenger rather than downgrade Sam.. but that is just my opinion.

Fair enough. I totally disagree because of how he phrased it and the fact it was split second response but I recognize in this "meta- debate" we see what we want.

 

[MrGrumpy]

It's the pure, blatant lies from the media that are doing my nut in. They're constantly pushing the narrative that we were 'going down' before Allardyce arrived. Utter horse manure.

The same bunch of simpleton 'analysts' didn't say Chelsea were going down before Mourinho left Chelsea did they? Nope - it was described, correctly, as a poor run of form and Conte wasn't given 'credit for rescuing them'.

The double standards are ridiculous. We were never in danger of going down. We were a good month away from even being in the relegation discussion. But we can only blame Moshiri for this whole thing and the eroded stature of the club - he sought to protect his investment, didn't have enough experience and went full on panic stations too early with a stupid, stupid person appointed that sent every wrong message possible to the footballing world about what Everton is.

Serious question, has a single person heard a media go on about Leicester going down before New guy took over?

 

[blueblue]

It's not a witch hunt the football if you can call it that is so dire - defence still looks vulnerable- midfield has to be the slowest I have ever seen - hence the forwards are starved of chances
Proof we won last night with our only shot on target!
It's relegation standard football and somehow we are 8 th we have moved up the table above the poor standard below us no where near a Europa place. And Koeman got sacked!

I agree with you about the football and our static midfield in particular.
To be fair Sam inherited those players and it seems wanted to add N'Nzonzi in January who would have been a serious upgrade,

 

[Goat]

It's the pure, blatant lies from the media that are doing my nut in. They're constantly pushing the narrative that we were 'going down' before Allardyce arrived. Utter horse manure.

The same bunch of simpleton 'analysts' didn't say Chelsea were going down before Mourinho left Chelsea did they? Nope - it was described, correctly, as a poor run of form and Conte wasn't given 'credit for rescuing them'.

The double standards are ridiculous. We were never in danger of going down. We were a good month away from even being in the relegation discussion. But we can only blame Moshiri for this whole thing and the eroded stature of the club - he sought to protect his investment, didn't have enough experience and went full on panic stations too early with a stupid, stupid person appointed that sent every wrong message possible to the footballing world about what Everton is.

You are very wrong sadly.

Maybe you didnt fear relegation, but after the worst Saints side in history smashed us 4-1 I couldnt see where the next point nevermind win was coming from.

I mean having a pop at Moshiri for "protecting his investment", which basically means having a pop at Moshiri for SAVING us is very, very short sighted.

Sam wasnt our first choice, we looked around and nobody wanted a piece of a club that IMO looked destined for the drop.

Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing and here we are, safe from relegation, with people claiming we werent up crap creek without not only a paddle, but we didnt even have a canoe.

Im not claiming Sam was the only manager who could have saved us, but I personally feel that the right appointment was made at the right time. Now the right sacking needs making at the right time.

 

[Joey66]

I agree with you about the football and our static midfield in particular.
To be fair Sam inherited those players and it seems wanted to add N'Nzonzi in January who would have been a serious upgrade,

Look he has displaced youth with the old hasbeens in midfield- which imo is the slowest ever!
Big Sam summoned to London by the Mosh on Thursday!