Sam Allardyce

[blueblue]

That's probably fair comment after listening to him last night. He defo hasn't got any intention of changing the way he sets up anytime soon. At a club he's likely to get (unless he gets Belgium to the SFs and gets a very good one in Spain or Italy) that is going to place massive pressure on his players, just as it did here.

Still, his belief that players are better than they think and should push themselves to the next level is one I think is refreshing and I always will think that way too. Obviously there are dogs who cant improve no matter what, but 99% of players just dont develop when they can with a lot of encouragement to take responsibility for their own game.

I think his refusal to rethink his strategy at Everton cost him his job. I don't believe Moshiri believed in him but Kenwright definitely did.

Sometimes we have to go backwards and regroup before we can move forward again.
In the last weeks of his time at Everton not only were we not defending well but we were not creating or attacking well either... the confidence had leached from the team.
That was the time to regroup, become more defensively solid, start winning again and slowly build your team back to where you want it to be.

I think the players may have recognised that if they were not going to work on being defensively sound that there was no hope.
I think RM erred in not accepting this.

 

[blueblue]

You are very wrong sadly.

Maybe you didnt fear relegation, but after the worst Saints side in history smashed us 4-1 I couldnt see where the next point nevermind win was coming from.

I mean having a pop at Moshiri for "protecting his investment", which basically means having a pop at Moshiri for SAVING us is very, very short sighted.

Sam wasnt our first choice, we looked around and nobody wanted a piece of a club that IMO looked destined for the drop.

Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing and here we are, safe from relegation, with people claiming we werent up crap creek without not only a paddle, but we didnt even have a canoe.

Im not claiming Sam was the only manager who could have saved us, but I personally feel that the right appointment was made at the right time. Now the right sacking needs making at the right time.

I agree with all of this but would add at the very end that the right manager must be appointed not just anybody simply to replace Sam.

 

[blueblue]

Look he has displaced youth with the old hasbeens in midfield- which imo is the slowest ever!
Big Sam summoned to London by the Mosh on Thursday!

True, but we saw when he came on last night that Tom Davies is struggling .
I wouldn't start a midfield in it with Tom and Beni at the moment.
I agree that next season our midfield has to have more pace, grit , creativity and goals.
I am not sure any of the three that started fit that bill. But, I think that is a problem that can only be solved in the summer... whoever the manager is.

 

[anton66]

He doesn`t brain wash them mate.

Think about this.

Up until Allardyce came to the cub, had you even given him a thought, other than that he was a crook after he blew the Ingerland job ?

The answer is probably no, as you`ve never had to.

So you`ve never really had to take notice of his footy before and just believed what his reputation / PR people said - same as everyone else.

Now he`s at the club, you`ve had to take notice of him and seen him for what he is.

He`s got friends in the media, like Jim " Sams a good friend of the show " White, et al, who he keeps in his loop of lies and mis truths, thereby guaranteeing that (a) he`s protected by some in the media (b) the Big Sam football saviour myth is carried on.

It`s what got him the Ingerland job, as the National team was in crisis / a mess.

However once you scratch the surface, you see that he`s achieved next to nothing in twenty years of management.

It`s all smoke and mirrors.

If he was in charge of any club in the top 6, he would be hounded out by the media for his style of play. Just look at Southampton, they said on talkcrap this morning and we should be careful what we wish for. Southampton Ff's.

 

[Joey66]

True, but we saw when he came on last night that Tom Davies is struggling .
I wouldn't start a midfield in it with Tom and Beni at the moment.
I agree that next season our midfield has to have more pace, grit , creativity and goals.
I am not sure any of the three that started fit that bill. But, I think that is a problem that can only be solved in the summer... whoever the manager is.

Yes Sam wants 200million lol

 

[sd_1992]

You are very wrong sadly.

Maybe you didnt fear relegation, but after the worst Saints side in history smashed us 4-1 I couldnt see where the next point nevermind win was coming from.

I mean having a pop at Moshiri for "protecting his investment", which basically means having a pop at Moshiri for SAVING us is very, very short sighted.

Sam wasnt our first choice, we looked around and nobody wanted a piece of a club that IMO looked destined for the drop.

Clearly hindsight is a wonderful thing and here we are, safe from relegation, with people claiming we werent up crap creek without not only a paddle, but we didnt even have a canoe.

Im not claiming Sam was the only manager who could have saved us, but I personally feel that the right appointment was made at the right time. Now the right sacking needs making at the right time.

Probably the next home game... the same place the points have been coming from all season.....

 

[davek]

I think his refusal to rethink his strategy at Everton cost him his job. I don't believe Moshiri believed in him but Kenwright definitely did.

Sometimes we have to go backwards and regroup before we can move forward again.
In the last weeks of his time at Everton not only were we not defending well but we were not creating or attacking well either... the confidence had leached from the team.
That was the time to regroup, become more defensively solid, start winning again and slowly build your team back to where you want it to be.

I think the players may have recognised that if they were not going to work on being defensively sound that there was no hope.
I think RM erred in not accepting this.

Bit of both I think: players feeling they had to score a lot of goals to win a game and becoming disllusioned; players unwilling to accept responsibility (especially at home) to do their job and keep hold of the ball and show for it. They basically lost their nerve while the manager was convinced they could regain it with a big win in a big game like Chelsea in the cup QF. By the time the SF came around though they'd lost their nerve again.

These players are basically the same bottlers we had back then because the most influential players in the squad are still about.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Joey66]

Tomorrow lol
Where did they dig up that patsy from?lol

 

[DanEFC92]

Tomorrow lol
Where did they dig up that patsy from?lol

It's great that we don't really have an Arsenal Fan TV thing going on, otherwise I'd have a brain aneurysm listening to some of the utter tosh that BLOOS spout.

 

[Joey66]

It's great that we don't really have an Arsenal Fan TV thing going on, otherwise I'd have a brain aneurysm listening to some of the utter tosh that BLOOS spout.

We will be. ok when Wenger takes charge!
Only to have a team that can put more than thee pases together in the oppositions half hey ho!

 

[Barnfred 55]

lol no one can seriously deny that lol We are woeful, our football is woeful, the enjoyment of watching Everton is woeful, the football is woeful, his attitude is woeful, how we are set up is woeful

Your comment is 100% woeful. We failed at about 9 times at 5 yard passes under no pressure tonight. It's been turgid all season, only difference now is that we have an egotistical tit in charge who firmly believes the [Poor language removed] we serve up is acceptable

Aren't you the same poster though who was booting off in the support Sam Allardyce thread for anyone having the cheek to calling him out as a hideous manager? I might be wrong but the name rings a bell

He most certainly was.

Me and @tim cahill had a few ding dongs didn't we Tim?

 

[COYBL25]

Tomorrow lol
Where did they dig up that patsy from?lol

By the looks of him, Anfield Cemetery

 

[magicjuan]

It's the pure, blatant lies from the media that are doing my nut in. They're constantly pushing the narrative that we were 'going down' before Allardyce arrived. Utter horse manure.

The same bunch of simpleton 'analysts' didn't say Chelsea were going down before Mourinho left Chelsea did they? Nope - it was described, correctly, as a poor run of form and Conte wasn't given 'credit for rescuing them'.

The double standards are ridiculous. We were never in danger of going down. We were a good month away from even being in the relegation discussion. But we can only blame Moshiri for this whole thing and the eroded stature of the club - he sought to protect his investment, didn't have enough experience and went full on panic stations too early with a stupid, stupid person appointed that sent every wrong message possible to the footballing world about what Everton is.

I think a lot of the situation at that time was how high expectations had risen. For the first time in a long time we had competed in the market and we all thought we were looking up. For whatever reasons it didn't work and we felt the drop from expecting to be around the top 5 or 6 to where we were was more of a plummet, it wasn't, it was a very bad run. Other teams had to face a bad run of fixtures after us and they were always destined to struggle.
Of course no one knew exactly how it would pan out but it was perceptions, how the situation was allowed to be portrayed, that panicked a lot, and the press fuelled that, again playing on high expectations and sensationalising the drop in form for us while ignoring the bad form of others, enter the fraud. He played, and still does, on that situation to fuel his ego and maximise his contribution and contract.
He is seasoned in that, and took advantage. He's still doing it, the utter, utter fraud.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Has he gone yet?