Sam Allardyce

[roydo]

If Koeman was still here and the board had decided he was going at the end of the season would Alladyce be the top of anybodys list to replace him,would he be in with a shout of being DOF,would any of the clubs except for maybe the bottom 3/4 look at bringing him in?
The answer to everyone of those is no,nobody can argue he has done what he was brought in to do,thats where it should end give him his pay off and get sorting things out

If we finished 8th under Koeman? No chance, obvs.

Good point.

 

[Berniethebolt]

They are all fair points, he does himself no favors and I agree his attitude could be better. I get everyone wants to take on the top 7 etc, but that’s unrealistic given the context. He didn’t recruit this team and pound for pound it’s poor. Having expectation beyond survival was unrealistic before he took over, it’s unfair to judge him on where we are in the table.

I agree on the style it’s awful, i again think he wants to play directly but can’t given the players at his disposal but is trying to get the best out of them and get results. Can performences improve I think they can. If you look at players he signed Tosun and Walcott they are direct players and I think if he stayed we could expect more of the same, no harm to my mind.

To be honest I think he is very like Moyes as a manager, he wants to play a results based game and is pragmatic. Their tenures mirror also, Moyes was brought in as a fire fighter and he did the job, rationalized the squad and incrementally improved quality and performences. I think Sam is similar and would expect much of the same if he stayed long term which he won’t. But I suspect there is some patsy work that will need to be done in culling a part of the squad and I suspect he may just be allowed to do it.

I’m not a particular advocate of him, if he goes he goes if he stays ok. I actually think stability is key in what is going to be a changing club behind the scenes in many roles in the year ahead. Objectively though he has done a job in a style that has been lauded in the past in similar relegation threats and similar to what Moyes and Royle did when they came in and were asked to save the club from lower divisions.

I’m just trying to be objective about him as I think the whole Anything But Sam narrative is a bit group thinky and not reflective of our context, his remit this season or his success in achieving it. If he stays the bjectives of survival and just results change of course and other questions need to be answered both on style, entertainment and progression.

Maybe some similarities to the job Big Joe did but Royle did it with a lot more charm, humour and modesty. And with a much worse set of players.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

If he is kept in their is zero chance if him building any relationship with the fans, all it will do us ensure a large proportion of blues will start having a distrust of moshiri, question is if he is arsed himself or even aware that's what keeping this odious tub of lard in the job will do.

Allardyce has firmly got most of the media and pundits on his side mate, so we’ll know one way or the other if Moshiri has got a set of balls on him.

 

[efcjames]

If Koeman was still here and the board had decided he was going at the end of the season would Alladyce be the top of anybodys list to replace him,would he be in with a shout of being DOF,would any of the clubs except for maybe the bottom 3/4 look at bringing him in?
The answer to everyone of those is no,nobody can argue he has done what he was brought in to do,thats where it should end give him his pay off and get sorting things out

But who could we realistically replace him with?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Yes. That’s when Arsenal won things.

Exactly the so called boring Arsenal under George Graham won 2 league titles 2 league cups 1 fa cup and a european trophy.Quite a substantial difference there, between that and Everton in the Allardyce era.That Arsenal side could play a bit as well.But they knew how to grind out a result when required as well.

 

[jaycee]

But who could we realistically replace him with?

So he would be top of the list for you? Just ahead of Pulis,Pardew and Hughes?

 

[blueblue]

I believe that if we can attract somebody like Emery then Sam will be asked to leave, but not for a manager that carries a high level of risk as both Silva and Fonseca would do.

 

[Blues Harp]

Just put this fat mess in the bin and end this nightmare

I agree Kenwright should be binned...lollol

 

[AndyC]

I believe that if we can attract somebody like Emery then Sam will be asked to leave, but not for a manager that carries a high level of risk as both Silva and Fonseca would do.

Silva would be a risk imo
Fonseca would massively less so, very highly regarded and tactically astute.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Was talking about Koeman rather than Unsworth tbh.

Btw i’ve said lots that he’s done the job asked of him, no complaints with it. I think Koeman would have had us in the same position though.

Well we’ll never know. Personally I think we were only heading one way under Koeman & would have fired him earlier.

Let’s just hope for big changes & tht Moshiri gets it right this time.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Fonseca arrives following the dismal Koeman start to the season, an astute Walcott and Cent Tosun purchase sees Everton finish a hugely respectable 8th

LOL no, it’s Allardyce and you cretins are still not happy.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

He'll be looking at the Koeman experience in particular, where it only took a couple of months worth of bad results before he was forced to act. Can he afford to go through that again with say, Silva?

But he faces the same problem with Allardyce, he has no buffer of goodwill and if he keeps turning out teams who produce hardly any shots on goal tempers will quickly run short with him.

 

[Blues Harp]

He’s only beaten the absolute dregs of this terrible league, when he’s came up against anyone above us we’ve Been battered and yet people want him to stay.

Him staying is the acceptence of mediocrity and never winning anything ever again.

Acceptance of mediocrity for 30 years lad...you are right...include the end of moyes tenure, Martinez's last 2 disasters, Koeman's disastrous pre season spending, and even before that...

 

[matty1878]

I put your question to Mosh, who replied, “look, I’m not here to win trophies. I just need to secure that stadium before off-loading our, aherm, ‘my’ shares for a massive profit.”

I must say I admired his honesty.

So he’s worse than BK

 

[matty1878]

Given the fan unrest and the fact that he's on an obviously short leash as regards his contract, he's done remarkably well in getting the team to produce the level of results they have. You'd think many of them would have downed tools under the circumstances, but they're still playing for him.

You happy with him being are long term manager?