Sam Allardyce

[jaycee]

I said realistically. Who would be top of your list who would have the slightest chance of coming to us?

Yet again would he be top of your list to manage us,its simple yes or no,if at the end of the season it was a vacant seat wiuld YOU have ALLADYCE as your FIRST choice to take over?

 

[JJK]

Acceptance of mediocrity for 30 years lad...you are right...include the end of moyes tenure, Martinez's last 2 disasters, Koeman's disastrous pre season spending, and even before that...

Spot on mate. So why carry all that on by keeping this moon head?

Time to be bold with a fresh appointment.

 

[bluestevon]

Put me on us not doing that for a whole season under Sam.

Getting smashed or getting 2 points against dross mate?

 

[billyblue80]

Both

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I can't even enjoy victories under Allardyce, this forum would be buzzing after victories under previous managers, we don't enjoy them because it's clear we play crap football with occasional good play from the likes of Walcott and top slotting from Cenk.

Name one area of play that has improved under Allardyce?, you can't.

 

[billyblue80]

So say I accept he's 'done a job' and he has brought stability in fairness, and say we keep Sam as some are advocating. What's his long term plan?Or is it all short term again? That's what makes me think he needs to go ultimately. You can say consistentcy is key and chopping and changing manager doesn't help. That's true. You can say the squad isn't his true again. But ultimately what is keeping him going to achieve beyond where we are now?But with a terrible style and negative manager talking us down every week? I see only a circle of decline to be honest. As someone else said I can accept midtable if we have an identity throughout the club and a manager and new DOF building towards something. With Sam it's another year or two sticking plaster at best, another pause in any kind of notion of progress.

 

[tirion]

"said Allardyce, who has lifted the Toffees from 18th to eighth in the Premier League."

Snippet from sky ... soon they'll be saying he got us promoted mid-season.

not long back from Huddersfield and I have to say the players really put in a shift for him, not something we could say about the latter stages of the Martinez/Koeman eras, he appears to have galvanised Keane and Schnneiderlin, Walcott has been an excellent signing with Tosun also proving to be more than adequate, and while we aren't exactly playing champagne football we are organised and effective,I would be tempted to leave him in post and see where he takes us.

 

[tirion]

I can't even enjoy victories under Allardyce, this forum would be buzzing after victories under previous managers, we don't enjoy them because it's clear we play crap football with occasional good play from the likes of Walcott and top slotting from Cenk.

Name one area of play that has improved under Allardyce?, you can't.

defence

 

[bol-uk]

This is the weirdest feeling I have ever had over football.

Two wins in a week.....and I am feeling empty inside.

I have felt better after a loss in the derby FFS

And all because this past few days and those results confirm my belief we are going to be lumbered with this fellow next season.

And possibly beyond.

A whole summer spent dreading the arrival of the new season......how did it ever get to this.

I am afraid my ST will be on StubHub very often next season.

Thank you, Moshiri.

OK, I am going to say it, if he is our man next season (which I now think he is), he will spend big(ish) on his players and will play with his squad. We are getting results and top 6 form since Christmas, if it has tobe, it has to be. It's no Emery or Fonseca, the "what if's" will be huge but, at least we will not be spending the whole season looking over our shoulders.

This is what we have become it seems, settling for this level of "success".

 

[billyblue80]

I can't even enjoy victories under Allardyce, this forum would be buzzing after victories under previous managers, we don't enjoy them because it's clear we play crap football with occasional good play from the likes of Walcott and top slotting from Cenk.

Name one area of play that has improved under Allardyce?, you can't.

This is it for me, he has no style beyond get behind the ball, play direct and hope one of the forwards makes things happen. We are on a decent run now but with no identity we could easily be back where we were in November come the new season and a few bad results. Because without change its all based on hope and probably a more direct physical style when he gets more of his 'own' players in. I have felt nothing for the last two wins, beyond just mild relief we won a game. I am not buzzing at all or excited.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I can guarantee Allardyce will not have us starting down the barrel of the relegation zone, and without that any decisions can be put off. Koeman was sacked because he had to be.

That's the point , they can't be put off. The apathy which is apparent at every home match has become endemic under him. All the lads I go the match with don't won't him . I speak to loads of matchgoing fans through the week and not one hopes we keep him . The lads on the coach I go to the away matches with loathe him.
Allardyce is the safety first mediocre manager that Everton have appointed so many times in recent history ,instead of the Cloughs and Robsons we go for the Binghams or the Lees. Then we wonder why our decline has been so marked.
Fans patience and belief is running out , they're not protesting or storming out they're sinking back in their seats and going quieter you can feel the ennui the moment you walk in the ground.
This decision , this point we are at is make or break for me, go safe mid table Allardyce and as far as I'm concerned we've given up and so will I. Grow a pair and go for a manager who can progress us to something better amid football that actually produces more than one shot per game and shake us out of our apathy , get us back on board.
Above all , give us some hope that things can get better. Something to believe in.
Or is that too much to ask?

 

[bignev23]

I'm baffled at the thought of people expecting anything other than what we got with Sam, we knew who he is and what he does before he arrived. I mean the highest possible place we could have finished after he took over was 7th, he's fell just short of that so no undue adulation is required but the cryarsing from the masses is hopefully just a message to Moshiri that mid table is the bare minimum they expect now and they're demanding better for next season, whether we get it or not is a different story and I feel sympathetic towards whoever is in charge then already.

 

[efcjames]

Yet again would he be top of your list to manage us,its simple yes or no,if at the end of the season it was a vacant seat wiuld YOU have ALLADYCE as your FIRST choice to take over?

I asked you at the start who you would realistically get to replace him. If we could get anyone I'd get Simeone, but that would never happen. Now who do you realistically see us getting?

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

defence

Is this the football you want to see mate?

"Allardyce has a lowly total of 1.37 from his 16 matches as Everton manager.

Allardyce has won just six of those 16 games, with four of those victories in his first five matches in charge of the Toffees. The former England manager has also lost six times, including heavy defeats to both Tottenham and Arsenal, as well as drawing four games.

Despite not being at the club anywhere near as long as either Koeman or Martinez, Allardyce does compare unfavourably to either man. New Netherlands manager Koeman had a points-per-game average of 1.48 from 58 matches in charge of Everton, while Belgium boss Martinez boasted a 1.56 average from his 143 games as Blues boss".

 

[efcjames]

I can't even enjoy victories under Allardyce, this forum would be buzzing after victories under previous managers, we don't enjoy them because it's clear we play crap football with occasional good play from the likes of Walcott and top slotting from Cenk.

Name one area of play that has improved under Allardyce?, you can't.

Attack