Sam Allardyce

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Interesting few lines about Allerdyce's media performances - he knows he's gone in the summer

 

[Neiler]

Is it valid to judge him?

Im a bit old school about these things and i dont like chopping or changing a manager, i particularly dont like it at Everton with a number of roles changing at Everton in the summer, DOF, CEO, Board. There will be a vacuum in the club and an adjustment period right in the melting pot of what is the summer market when your governance needs to be strong and at its best.

I think you also have to look at what is going on in the market of manager recruitment next season, Everton will be at the end of the que in terms of high caliber managers who want to come to the PL, both Arsenal and Chelsea will be recruiting managers in the summer and its likely we will have to wait to see who is left.

Yet how how should the manager be judged. Style of play? We are turgid under Sam, yet we were turgid under Koeman and Unsworth, the only difference is we get results under Sam. What is the dictating factor? Poor recruitment and poor governance, are any of these Sams fault? No. For me he is getting results out of a poorly constructed squad, a squad assembled with Koemans possession based football in mind. Sams style is more a direct style and he is trying to implement his philosophy with players who dont have the skills to do it. Is he getting results? He is. As for the broder style of play its awful? A decision needed to be made a long time ago about what was important for the rest of the season, performances or results. It had to be results really.

Is the above acceptable in a second season? No, of course not. Clearly the remit of his second season is improved performances and better recruitment. I am of the opinion that a manager deserves the opportunity to build if you appoint him. I think he has earned the right, to try and improve performances and build a team and recruit players. When you look at the evidence of who he recruited thus far in Walcott and Tosun, they have just gone and been the match winners in the last two games.

When you weigh all of the above up and given our position in the table and as a basket case club when he took over to have us in a default position of 6th -8th for me he deserves and opportunity next year.

Maybe he is the outlet for the projection of a lot of things that have gone wrong at the club, but when you actually break it down very little of that he is responsible for.

 

[tim cahill]

The same squad that drew twice with Alan Pardews West Brom. Home and away, played off the park in both games. Onky difference was Albion didnt have their shooting boots on.

We can all be selective with our gamrs.

If you don’t want to be selective with games then you’ll recognise that we’ve won the 6th most points since he’s taken over. That’s an improvement, is it not?

 

[Bluewolf]

Playing devils advocate here but has he really 'improved the defence' or has the upturn in our better defensive performances coincided with the return of Coleman, Baines and Jags?

My apologies, allerdyce has 8 clean sheets this season not 7. 4 came in the first half of the season when allerdyce took over. The other in the last 7 games.

The back line of:

Kenny-holgate-williams-martina

Clean sheets:

Huddersfield (h)
Newcastle (a)

Back line of:

Kenny-jags-kean-martina

Clean sheet:

Chelsea (h)

Then the back line of:

------------holgate-wiliams-kean---------------
Kenny--------------------------------------martina

Clean sheet:
WBA (a)

We've had 4 clean sheets in our last 7 games.

Back line of:

Coleman-jags-kean-baines

Clean sheets:
Brighton (h)
Liverpool (h)
Newcastle (h)
Huddersfield (a)

So it's 50/50 really. Although I do agree the defence looks a lot more steady and settled with Coleman, jags, kean and baines back in but their just the facts.

 

[Toast]

Is it valid to judge him?

Im a bit old school about these things and i dont like chopping or changing a manager, i particularly dont like it at Everton with a number of roles changing at Everton in the summer, DOF, CEO, Board. There will be a vacuum in the club and an adjustment period right in the melting pot at what is the summer market.

I think you also have to look at what is going in the market of manager recruitment next season, Everton will be at the end of the que in terms of high calibre managers who want to come to the PL, both Arsenal and Chelsea will be recruiting managers in the summer and its likely we will have to wait to see who is left.

Yet how how should manager be judged. Style of play? We are turgid under Sam, yet we were turgid under Koeman and Allardyce, the only difference is we get results under Sam. What is the dictating factor? Poor recruitment and poor governance, are any of these Sams fault? No. For me is getting results out of a poorly constructed squad, a squad assembled with Koemans possession based football in mind. Sams style is more a direct style and he is trying to implement his philosophy with players who dont have the skills to do it. Is he getting result? He is. As for the broder style of play its awful? A decision needed to be made a long time ago about what was important for the rest of the season, performances or results. It had to be results really.

Is the above acceptable in a second season? No, of course not. Clearly the remit of his second season is improved performances and better recruitment. I am of the opinion that a manager deserves the opportunity to build if you appoint him. I think he has earned the right, to try and improve performances and build a team and recruit players. When you look at the evidence of who he recruited thus far in Walcott and Tosun, they have just gone and been the match winners in the last two games.

When you weigh all of the above up and given our position in the table and as a basket case club when he took over to have us in a default position of 6th -8th for me he deserves and opportunity next year.

Maybe he is the outlet for the projection of a lot of things that have gone wrong at the club, but when you actually break down very little of that he is responsible for.

He's bought in Tosun and Walcott.
Both decent.
He's binned off Williams.
He's dragging off Rooney when he's stinking.
He's won a good amount of points.

It's a tricky one.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

Of all the teams Allardyce has managed over his career which ones would people have been happy to watch each week because of their good and free flowing football, most probably his early Bolton side was the best it got. Can't remember a decent team he's built it went from hoofing it up to Davis at Bolton for someone to pick up the knock down, to hoofing it up to that yard dog Ameobi(ap) for that other yard dog Nolan to get on the end of. He's not changed the way he plays the game in all the years he's been managing what makes people think he'll change know. No thank you it's not for me. For the last part of Moyes tenure I hardly seen a full game I had my head in my hands at the sheer drudgery of the football, if I'm to pay the best part of £600 for my Tkt I want more than that. It's a big fat no from me.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Sorry but that is just not true..our board are completely responsible for the fans' apathy by virtue of their appalling decisions over 30 years......expectations have been dumbed down over time with people like billy liar doing his "greatest living Evertonian" spiel while sitting back and accepting the "plucky old Everton" tag. No wonder this attitude affects the fans. For us to progress this has to change, and our major shareholder has to realise this before its too late.

The level of apathy seems to be at the highest point ever, even just judging by the number if fans who simply cba with an away win yesterday. Any away win is half decent whoever wr're playing.

The problem we have apathy is not going to do anything to change the boards pov. Only action will do that and the sad fact is most of us cba.

 

[tim cahill]

In that game we didn’t have Genk or Walcott or Bolasie or Jags or Coleman or Bains, it was a freak result, we struggle every time we go to Southampton anyway

It wasn’t a freak result though. Or were the other 20+ goals we’d conceded in a month just unlucky as well?

 

[ADT]

He's not as bad as some people are saying but he is bad and needs to go

 

[bag a yoko]

Sam has done a good job. If he was sure to leave I think he'd get an ovation at the end of the season.

 

[MrGrumpy]

If you don’t want to be selective with games then you’ll recognise that we’ve won the 6th most points since he’s taken over. That’s an improvement, is it not?

Who we played? Team we are expected to beat and lost to all the big teams except the RS who put our their under 12s and a Chelsea who just couldn’t score

 

[mutley]

The same squad that drew twice with Alan Pardews West Brom. Home and away, played off the park in both games. Onky difference was Albion didnt have their shooting boots on.

We can all be selective with our gamrs.

But what isn't selective since he's been here is he has us in 6th or 7th place,

which is very good considering we were conceding almost 3 goals a game before that.

 

[MrGrumpy]

It wasn’t a freak result though. Or were the other 20+ goals we’d conceded in a month just unlucky as well?

We where playing 2 games a week with key players missing and no striker. A Rb at LB and Ashley Williams in defence

 

[Royalbm1]

Ffs, he beat Huddersfield not barca. Do one you oversized dino

 

[flibbyflob]

He's not as bad as some people are saying but he is bad and needs to go

The worst thing is that since we have been safe he hasn't attempted to play any decent football. Had he done that then he may have been given an easier time by the fans but he still sets out to draw a game and hopefully sneak a win even when we are safe and playing teams in trouble.