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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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Can folks stop giving Sam credit for buying Cenk?

By all accounts he was a Walsh (and a jolly to watch Champions League with Mosh) purchase - got two games after moving to us, then dropped and Sam was doing his best throwing under bus job on him. Cant be bothered finding the quotes but he was certainly moaning about not having any strikers who could finish. Seems like Tosun only got back in the team again by being too good in training to ignore.

Sam can have credit for Walcott though.
 
We weren’t beating teams that we were better than before he arrived. We were just losing every week and conceding bucketloads.

I don’t particularly like him and don’t particularly want him here next season but it’s strange that you can’t accept that we’re better under him than before he arrived.


Even if we are better now than before he arrived, and let's face it we couldn't have been much worse are we as good as we can be under him. I for one want Everton to be the best they can be, not just to be slightly better than we were when we were bad. I want ambition not settling for not being relegated.
 


The pundits are all brainwashed. They make out like we should be appreciative that he’s our manager and we’re ungrateful ffs were Everton not Bolton etc.
The fans are the ones getting the media backlash for daring to want better than Fat Sam. Amazing the lengths they’re going to, to protect a morally corrupt, bung-taking, stain on football.
 
Is it valid to judge him?

Im a bit old school about these things and i dont like chopping or changing a manager, i particularly dont like it at Everton with a number of roles changing at Everton in the summer, DOF, CEO, Board. There will be a vacuum in the club and an adjustment period right in the melting pot at what is the summer market.

I think you also have to look at what is going in the market of manager recruitment next season, Everton will be at the end of the que in terms of high calibre managers who want to come to the PL, both Arsenal and Chelsea will be recruiting managers in the summer and its likely we will have to wait to see who is left.

Yet how how should manager be judged. Style of play? We are turgid under Sam, yet we were turgid under Koeman and Allardyce, the only difference is we get results under Sam. What is the dictating factor? Poor recruitment and poor governance, are any of these Sams fault? No. For me is getting results out of a poorly constructed squad, a squad assembled with Koemans possession based football in mind. Sams style is more a direct style and he is trying to implement his philosophy with players who dont have the skills to do it. Is he getting result? He is. As for the broder style of play its awful? A decision needed to be made a long time ago about what was important for the rest of the season, performances or results. It had to be results really.

Is the above acceptable in a second season? No, of course not. Clearly the remit of his second season is improved performances and better recruitment. I am of the opinion that a manager deserves the opportunity to build if you appoint him. I think he has earned the right, to try and improve performances and build a team and recruit players. When you look at the evidence of who he recruited thus far in Walcott and Tosun, they have just gone and been the match winners in the last two games.

When you weigh all of the above up and given our position in the table and as a basket case club when he took over to have us in a default position of 6th -8th for me he deserves and opportunity next year.

Maybe he is the outlet for the projection of a lot of things that have gone wrong at the club, but when you actually break down very little of that he is responsible for.
Yes, it's treating him harshly to judge him on style rather than the what he was brought in to do - get the team focussed and picking up enough points to make sure we're in no danger. But he has in no way shape or form proven he deserves another season. And neither are the club honour bound to hand it to him, regardless of length of contract. Allardyce isn't the man to roll out a plan for a club that builds its team over a number of years and any additional seasons with him in charge delays us achieving that.

It's not personal with me. He's done his job. Now he can go.
 
No chance. If Allardyce is still here only Williams out if that lot will go. And thats only because he probably pissed him off. Remember he was fiirst choice for all his earlier games.

On the other hand, Lookman is already gone. Pretty certain Holgate Vlasic will too with probably Kenny Beni and Dowell out on loan.

Well we'll all get to know in time, then there will be no more need for guesswork and speculation.
 

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