Sam Allardyce

[mutley]

ha ha jog on lad. And go kiss FS rear

Yeah see ya plughead, go back crying because BS is here.

 

[Mrk]

You need to ask yourself what Everton can possibly achieve by keeping Allardyce in place for another season. Let's say we finish 7th/8th again, then what? His contract is up at the end of next season, so all we will have done is delay possible progress by another 12 months.

Let's get in a manager who can build a long term project and give us fans something to believe in again.

 

[matty1878]

Yeah see ya plughead, go back crying because BS is here.

Hel soon be gone

 

[matty1878]

You need to ask yourself what Everton can possibly achieve by keeping Allardyce in place for another season. Let's say we finish 7th/8th again, then what? His contract is up at the end of next season, so all we will have done is delay possible progress by another 12 months.

Let's get in a manager who can build a long term project and give us fans something to believe in again.

Exactly mate 100%

 

[Barnfred 55]

One of the guys on the royal blue podcast made an interesting point the other day. If we’re getting a new director of football and a new CEO this summer then it might not be wise to get a new manager as well. Some stability could be better for the club long term.

It would work if the DOF and manager were compatible in their football philisophy. If not it could end up disastrous.

 

[Marko VB]

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...m-allardyce-everton?__twitter_impression=true

Some good points made in this article about how Fireman Sam never actually said "yes, I'll be in charge next year"

 

[magicjuan]

Can folks stop giving Sam credit for buying Cenk?

By all accounts he was a Walsh (and a jolly to watch Champions League with Mosh) purchase - got two games after moving to us, then dropped and Sam was doing his best throwing under bus job on him. Cant be bothered finding the quotes but he was certainly moaning about not having any strikers who could finish. Seems like Tosun only got back in the team again by being too good in training to ignore.

Sam can have credit for Walcott though.

Allegedly not his either, talks had begun under Koeman.

 

[Thetigerblue]

I suppose it boils down to this.

Do we enjoy watching Everton play under Allardyce's management?
If you do, OK.
If you don't (and I don't) then will it ever improve under Allardyce?
If so, how? What will he do to change how we play that will entertain us? (Howard Kendall's first couple of years in charge had some horrible performances but he did change things and then it clicked).
Has Allardyce a track record of producing thrilling football? Has he a track record of being able not just to steady a ship but really take teams to a better level and stay there?

As thrilling & attacking football games are what we'd all want (Everton vs Coventry in 77 is the example in my mind here) then how do we get there?
I've just not seen anything or heard to suggest how Allardyce takes us forward.
And if that's not the case, the sooner he goes and we have someone who can make us better, then the sooner we have that football and success that we want. Not that we deserve, because football isn't about deserving. It's about earning. Skill, talent, hard work and teamwork, in management and the team.
I hope the Moshiri realises this, and acts on it. For him and Everton it's go big or go home.

 

[Neiler]

Yes, it's treating him harshly to judge him on style rather than the what he was brought in to do - get the team focussed and picking up enough points to make sure we're in no danger. But he has in no way shape or form proven he deserves another season. And neither are the club honour bound to hand it to him, regardless of length of contract. Allardyce isn't the man to roll out a plan for a club that builds its team over a number of years and any additional seasons with him in charge delays us achieving that.

It's not personal with me. He's done his job. Now he can go.

Thats the crux of it mate, many have a personal dislike for the man, that is irrelevant its just business and objectivity that is required and whats best for Everton. Im not sure another change of manager is best for the club, im not particular advocate of Sam at all but you need to think holistically about what the club needs and broader then just likeing the manager or not or public profile and reputation fair or unfair. Especially as i can see a lot of turnover on key roles in the coming months, that is a key concern for me.

 

[Marius57]

We weren’t beating teams that we were better than before he arrived. We were just losing every week and conceding bucketloads.

I don’t particularly like him and don’t particularly want him here next season but it’s strange that you can’t accept that we’re better under him than before he arrived.

Haha, first part of your post is utter tosh. In the league under Koeman we had only lost to teams that are still currently above us. We had 7 points out a possible 9 against teams below us. With Unsworth, we played 5 games, won 2 of them, drew 1 and lost 2.

Sams done no better against any of the top 7 teams we had played before he got here. And he has played for draws in every game, even against teams like West Brom. Only reason we have won more is because we have many more match winners and players with individual bits of brilliance that the teams below us (bar Leicester) don’t have.

 

[dancing llama]

Might have to wash my mouth out but Shearer got it spot on about Sam forcing the extra year.

I would have been happy knowing that our mess of a season was over without any more disasters, given Sam a big thank you, and quietly shut the door behind him. Bloody hell, if we had played more games like we did yesterday I might have even started thinking maybe give him a bit more time. Instead we're just stuck with the possibility of having our eyes bleed for the whole of next year, and guess what - I ain't happy!

 

[Joey66]

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...m-allardyce-everton?__twitter_impression=true

Some good points made in this article about how Fireman Sam never actually said "yes, I'll be in charge next year"

Spot on article well put

 

[caught]

Is it valid to judge him?

Im a bit old school about these things and i dont like chopping or changing a manager, i particularly dont like it at Everton with a number of roles changing at Everton in the summer, DOF, CEO, Board. There will be a vacuum in the club and an adjustment period right in the melting pot at what is the summer market.

I think you also have to look at what is going in the market of manager recruitment next season, Everton will be at the end of the que in terms of high calibre managers who want to come to the PL, both Arsenal and Chelsea will be recruiting managers in the summer and its likely we will have to wait to see who is left.

Yet how how should manager be judged. Style of play? We are turgid under Sam, yet we were turgid under Koeman and Allardyce, the only difference is we get results under Sam. What is the dictating factor? Poor recruitment and poor governance, are any of these Sams fault? No. For me is getting results out of a poorly constructed squad, a squad assembled with Koemans possession based football in mind. Sams style is more a direct style and he is trying to implement his philosophy with players who dont have the skills to do it. Is he getting result? He is. As for the broder style of play its awful? A decision needed to be made a long time ago about what was important for the rest of the season, performances or results. It had to be results really.

Is the above acceptable in a second season? No, of course not. Clearly the remit of his second season is improved performances and better recruitment. I am of the opinion that a manager deserves the opportunity to build if you appoint him. I think he has earned the right, to try and improve performances and build a team and recruit players. When you look at the evidence of who he recruited thus far in Walcott and Tosun, they have just gone and been the match winners in the last two games.

When you weigh all of the above up and given our position in the table and as a basket case club when he took over to have us in a default position of 6th -8th for me he deserves and opportunity next year.

Maybe he is the outlet for the projection of a lot of things that have gone wrong at the club, but when you actually break down very little of that he is responsible for.

It's definitely valid to judge him after 24 competitive games. And the best judgement one can give is that he has done an adequate job in terms of results and likely league placement - even the staunchest anti-Allardyce Evertonian last November would have probably agreed that an 8th place finish would suggest he had done what he was hired to do.

Over that period, any notion of him keeping his job has to be considered alongside the likelihood he will enable us to progress. Being a mid-table side is pointless for Everton. We've finished between 5th-11th in every one of the last 12 seasons now and the apathy amongst fans will continue to grow if there doesn't appear a clear attempt by the board to start pushing for the top four (and it's important to stress that I doubt many fans will be demanding top four next season, rather just seeing the club aiming in that direction).

Obviously key to the above is the manager, so the question has to be whether we think Allardyce is a man who can do it. Based on the football we've played under him and the four years (three in the PL) he spent doing the exact same thing with no discernible improvement at WHU, I'd personally say he doesn't have the skillset to improve us beyond where we are at present. I think if he was to stay he'd sign a couple of decent players this summer and see us finish 7th and trophyless next season, playing the same turgid stuff. For that reason, ignoring his personality and public reputation, I'm in favour of binning him.

If someone thinks he'd be capable of making us competitive with the current top six then fair enough. Just don't see it myself.

Plus, he has tits. Koeman, Unsworth and Allardyce all have tits. I'd like someone with no tits.

 

[Caolam]

The headlined "Sam puzzled by supporter unrest" made me chuckle. Sam must have been puzzled for a considerable period of his managerial career.

 

[ADT]

The worst thing is that since we have been safe he hasn't attempted to play any decent football. Had he done that then he may have been given an easier time by the fans but he still sets out to draw a game and hopefully sneak a win even when we are safe and playing teams in trouble.

And players that deserve a chance aren't getting one