Sam Allardyce

[Barnfred 55]

If you don’t want to be selective with games then you’ll recognise that we’ve won the 6th most points since he’s taken over. That’s an improvement, is it not?

I can't argue with that stat. What I will say is that Allardyce took over after 14 games that included 5 of the top 6. The 5 remaining fixtures had just 1. Plus there was no Europe ganes so he could spend all week to focus on the league. Plus he brought in Tosun and Walcott whose goals have all proved decisive. And he has Coleman back. Stats do not paint the whole picture.

We have easily the 7th best squad in the league and Arsenal have grossly under performed. Allardyces negative tactics have IMO cost us more points than they have won. A decent manager would have had this squad 6th.

 

[stretford blue]

You need to ask yourself what Everton can possibly achieve by keeping Allardyce in place for another season. Let's say we finish 7th/8th again, then what? His contract is up at the end of next season, so all we will have done is delay possible progress by another 12 months.

Let's get in a manager who can build a long term project and give us fans something to believe in again.

If all Moshiri or the board want is for us to finish best of the rest ie 7/8th then he will keep Sam and we will beat the Huddersfields Newcastles of the league and roll over to the top six teams.surely we need to be ambitions to break into the top six and be competitive ,there is only short-term with Sam and by keeping him on next season we are only delaying the enevinevit

 

[Barnfred 55]

But what isn't selective since he's been here is he has us in 6th or 7th place,

which is very good considering we were conceding almost 3 goals a game before that.

I can't argue with that stat. What I will say is that Allardyce took over after 14 games that included 5 of the top 6. The 5 remaining fixtures had just 1. Plus there was no Europe ganes so he could spend all week to focus on the league. Plus he brought in Tosun and Walcott whose goals have all proved decisive. And he has Coleman back. Stats do not paint the whole picture.

We have easily the 7th best squad in the league and Arsenal have grossly under performed. Allardyces negative tactics have IMO cost us more points than they have won. A decent manager would have had this squad 6th.

 

[matty1878]

If all Moshiri or the board want is for us to finish best of the rest ie 7/8th then he will keep Sam and we will beat the Huddersfields Newcastles of the league and roll over to the top six teams.surely we need to be ambitions to break into the top six and be competitive ,there is only short-term with Sam and by keeping him on next season we are only delaying the enevinevit

Yet some of our fans can’t see this. Jesus wept

 

[davek]

Thats the crux of it mate, many have a personal dislike for the man, that is irrelevant its just business and objectivity that is required and whats best for Everton. Im not sure another change of manager is best for the club, im not particular advocate of Sam at all but you need to think holistically about what the club needs and broader then just likeing the manager or not or public profile and reputation fair or unfair. Especially as i can see a lot of turnover on key roles in the coming months, that is a key concern for me.

If we had a definite green light on a stadium build and the need for someone who can guarantee PL survival to get us through that period unscathed then you might just be able to rationalise keeping him on in some way. But we're not in that position and I think most believe we can get where we are in this league right now AND see a better brand of football to make it more palatable. It's a very poor league and I can never see us finishing as bad as midtable in it given the resources we apparently have.

He's been here months not years and he's bought only two players, so there would be no great upheaval if he leaves. And I cant see any new innovative DoF wanting the headache of working with a set in his ways character like Allardyce.

I'm sure he himself knows all this but he's being hard faced about it and pushing the envelope to extend his stay and increase his earnings. No thanks. He needs to leave before matters turn nasty.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Can folks stop giving Sam credit for buying Cenk?

By all accounts he was a Walsh (and a jolly to watch Champions League with Mosh) purchase - got two games after moving to us, then dropped and Sam was doing his best throwing under bus job on him. Cant be bothered finding the quotes but he was certainly moaning about not having any strikers who could finish. Seems like Tosun only got back in the team again by being too good in training to ignore.

Sam can have credit for Walcott though.

Not sure how much credit there is going round for thinking "hey it might be a good idea to sign a 50 cap England international with a decade of PL experience and a proven history of scoring goals for a price which is a steal in today's terms"

Think we could pretty much all have unearthed that particular hidden gem.

 

[Khalekan]

Wow, i'd take that deal right now.

lol

Me too.

I don’t get all the disparaging comments about Wiltshire....I think he is a cracking little player

The only thing putting me off his his sick note history.

And those other players are undoubtedly an improvement on what we have now....but I would not have them because I am done with United cast offs


(That last sentence is probably contradictory but just humour me.....I am arl....)

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

lol

Me too.

I don’t get all the disparaging comments about Wiltshire....I think he is a cracking little player

The only thing putting me off his his sick note history.

And those other players are undoubtedly an improvement on what we have now....but I would not have them because I am done with United cast offs


(That last sentence is probably contradictory but just humour me.....I am arl....)

If we sign him, do you promise to learn how to spell his name?

 

[Barnfred 55]

If all Moshiri or the board want is for us to finish best of the rest ie 7/8th then he will keep Sam and we will beat the Huddersfields Newcastles of the league and roll over to the top six teams.surely we need to be ambitions to break into the top six and be competitive ,there is only short-term with Sam and by keeping him on next season we are only delaying the enevinevit

A lot of our fans appear comfortable with this and that is worrying because if its acceptable to many then Moshiri may interprate that as the green light.

 

[stretford blue]

If we had a definite green light on a stadium build and the need for someone who can guarantee PL survival to get us through that period unscathed then you might just be able to rationalise keeping him on in some way. But we're not in that position and I think most believe we can get where we are in this league right now AND see a better brand of football to make it more palatable. It's a very poor league and I can never see us finishing as bad as midtable in it given the resources we apparently have.

He's been here months not years and he's bought only two players, so there would be no great upheaval if he leaves. And I cant see any new innovative DoF wanting the headache of working with a set in his ways character like Allardyce.

I'm sure he himself knows all this but he's being hard faced about it and pushing the envelope to extend his stay and increase his earnings. No thanks. He needs to leave before matters turn nasty.

We are already losing valuable time now with the will he won't he stay ,a decision on brands should be done now a yes or a no get plannig now it's like the giroud situation an early yes or no then move on.

 

[stretford blue]

A lot of our fans appear comfortable with this and that is worrying because if its acceptable to many then Moshiri may interprate that as the green light.

To be honest if Moshiri doesn't know by now how short term Sam is then he's well out of his depth

 

[Deleted member 28206]

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...m-allardyce-everton?__twitter_impression=true

Some good points made in this article about how Fireman Sam never actually said "yes, I'll be in charge next year"

I’ve said this about ten times and the bedwetters refused to hear it!

 

[Bob Elstone]

The main plus from sam is his signings of Tosun and Walcott who have by and large delivered results.

 

[Neiler]

If we had a definite green light on a stadium build and the need for someone who can guarantee PL survival to get us through that period unscathed then you might just be able to rationalise keeping him on in some way. But we're not in that position and I think most believe we can get where we are in this league right now AND see a better brand of football to make it more palatable. It's a very poor league and I can never see us finishing as bad as midtable in it given the resources we apparently have.

He's been here months not years and he's bought only two players, so there would be no great upheaval if he leaves. And I cant see any new innovative DoF wanting the headache of working with a set in his ways character like Allardyce.

I'm sure he himself knows all this but he's being hard faced about it and pushing the envelope to extend his stay and increase his earnings. No thanks. He needs to leave before matters turn nasty.

I am not as confident if i am honest. You know my take on appointing someone based on philosophy and backing that. The constant changing of managers has left us with a mixed identity and no cohesive philosophy stretching back to Martinez. Poor governance hasnt helped. The club is hemorrhaging money on the cost of all the above on managers and poor recruitment.

I suppose its how you see Sam, its a decision on headroom really, do you think he can recruit well and improve performances, i tend to think he deserves the opportunity. To be fair he has brought the clubs head up to the glass ceiling again, with a mixed bag of a poorly constructed squad that dont play the type of football he wants. Thats my take.

Some seem rigid in the view, that what is happening wont vary and thats fair enough, no body knows the future.

But its a high risk game, people wanted Martinez out for the very thing they are now asking for. Fans opinions are wishy washy really and based on impulse with little learning and reflection. The i dont like his attitude thing is ridiculous and seems like people are taking things very personally which is madness. The dangerous thing really that fans impulse has been reflected on the ground in the club, no identity, no philosophy no cohesive plan and impulsive decisions. A period of sustainability or even a season to rationalise and take a breath i think would be no harm for Everton for the reasons i mention above. Im not rigid in my thinking that performances wont improve and good recruitment wont take place.

There will be cohort who will always dislike him, it seems to be very polarised, no context appears to change that, i always worry about that close mindedness and the repetitive dogma, bordering on personal abuse in this case that often accompanies it. But a run of good results as can be seen in the last two games softens many. It will be very interesting if we win our last two games, which we could well do.

 

[tim cahill]

Haha, first part of your post is utter tosh. In the league under Koeman we had only lost to teams that are still currently above us. We had 7 points out a possible 9 against teams below us. With Unsworth, we played 5 games, won 2 of them, drew 1 and lost 2.

Sams done no better against any of the top 7 teams we had played before he got here. And he has played for draws in every game, even against teams like West Brom. Only reason we have won more is because we have many more match winners and players with individual bits of brilliance that the teams below us (bar Leicester) don’t have.

Do you think our Europa league group opponents had superior squads to us?