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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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I was thinking earlier, is it just us the fans who hate him and don’t want him here?.

It’s the same pretty much everywhere he’s been though . To be fair to Sam he was given a job and he’s fulfilled it , we can argue about whether we would have gone down or not or that we were 13th but in reality we looked poor and those in charge panicked and personally I understand their worry .

Sam’s brief was to keep us up and he has , the same brief he had at Sunderland and Palace and the rest . My main issue with him is that he’s acting as if he’s doing us a favour by being here , which actually contrasts to how he was when he was arriving . I do wonder if once he realised it’s definitely short term he’s not too bothered about courting favour . The blokes attitude kills his talk of wanting to be somewhere long term , as regards results as I’ve said he’s done his job and over and above that he’s basically a par manager . Sam wins the ones he should and loses most of the ones you’d expect him to and generally gets you the points you work out looking at the fixtures in advance .

For me he’s done what he was hired to do and he’ll be well rewarded for it , a little more grace from him and I think we’d all be shaking hands and we’d probably be bidding him farewell with a smile rather than the level of anger he’s getting .
 
Despite what we think about Moshiri, he didn't become a billionaire by being a poor business man and soft touch. He will do whatever is required without blinking an eye when it comes to his Everton investment which he is already put a lot into.

We can all argue about Allardyce all day long but when you take a step back, it is very obvious that he will not be part of Moshiri's plans for the future of Everton. He got him in to make sure his investment never got relegated as that is what Allardyce was good at and has only ever done and that it is it. He isnt part of the future plans which is why Moshiri hasn't came out and publicly gave him his backing.

Fully expecting an announcement from Everton sometime this week i.e before the last home game saying that Allardyce will be leaving at the end of the season by mutual agreement and giving him a thanks and that sort of thing.
 
Sam has done his job might not be what the fans want but he did what he was asked to do by his employer. The biggest pull for his employer now is that he offers stability and he has a group of older players who listen to the manager and play for him on the pitch. It looks to me at least that the manager and the players are sticking to there game plan and the fans who want expansive/attractive football will be waiting for a long time to come.

Honestly think that Moshiri would settle for stability for a season or two but others want to go in another direction on the board - usually the man with the money will win the day. If Mosh does sack him then there is no point to employ another safety first manager, so the next few weeks are going to be very interesting indeed.
 

Such a silly thing to say.

Why? Someone pulling out stats based on three quarters of a season when he wasn't in charge for our tough start, yet I can't point out Sam's lack of achievement throughout his entire career? We are a club that wants to compete or we claim to be(although we don't act like it most of the time), yet we are employing a man who has no track record beyond 'organising a team'. If you are comfortable with his horrendous football, negative attitude and management next year then you obviously accept our decline and continued mediocrity.
 
Here's a stat for you, he's been in football management for decades he hasn't won anything.

Such a silly thing to say.

Why? Someone pulling out stats based on three quarters of a season when he wasn't in charge for our tough start, yet I can't point out Sam's lack of achievement throughout his entire career? We are a club that wants to compete or we claim to be(although we don't act like it most of the time), yet we are employing a man who has no track record beyond 'organising a team'. If you are comfortable with his horrendous football, negative attitude and management next year then you obviously accept our decline and continued mediocrity.

Sam was ready to take the step up from "relegation saver" to international class manager. The country was behind him and for reasons we all know he was denied this opportunity after just one game with England.

It was a blessing really because he'll do a double whammy. He stopped us getting relegated ("no he didn't" "yes he did" etc) and I think next season with some backing we're going to see how good a manager he can be with a PROPER club
 
Its a massive summer for Moshiri. If he allows this to trundle along and we start next season with just a few players in and out by recycling cash and keep Allardyce and his flunkies in their posts he's done for.
Have you set him up to fail then by asking too much? If he gets rid of a lot of the rotten core who make up the senior players which I have to agree with needs doing, then we'll be creating a huge upheaval in the playing squad that will quite likely cause us a huge setback. As new players are getting up to speed we are potentially looking at another written off season. Now this might well be what we need, but if we're 16th come Christmas, then we could well be seeing another firefighter in if Moshiri panics like this season.

I think that a more likely scenario is that a new manager comes in and the most disruptive elements of the senior pros go. I think (unfortunately) that a few of the senior pros are quite weak willed and a couple of stronger more professional players coming in will force them to buck their ideas up and keep some stability. The remaining deadwood will go over the next couple of transfer windows. It's a bit of half way house but as long as we see progress and evolution towards a better standard football and dare I say it, a real challenge for silverware then I would be very happy indeed. Over to Moshiri and probably Brands to deliver this.
 
The spin now should be, instead of he has done his job which he has, it should be can he take us to the next level and the answer is simply NO.

SO IN THAT CASE MOVE ON AND GET A POSITIVE THINKING MANAGER
 
Moshiri ain’t no fool and he won’t repeat his previous mistake of binning a manager off without having another in place ready to take over. If Brands comes in, Sam will be gone as soon as the replacement is agreed and ready to start. Our future does not involve Sam Allardyce, it just doesn’t.
 

Sam was ready to take the step up from "relegation saver" to international class manager. The country was behind him and for reasons we all know he was denied this opportunity after just one game with England.

It was a blessing really because he'll do a double whammy. He stopped us getting relegated ("no he didn't" "yes he did" etc) and I think next season with some backing we're going to see how good a manager he can be with a PROPER club

You support Liverpool don't you? You must be on the wind up. Sam is despised by every set of fans of clubs he's managed apart from Bolton. The country wasn't behind him and he was booted out of England after one game in disgrace. He did his job but he isn't capable of pushing us on. Plus his attitude stinks.
 
What worries me is that we have an absolutely ridiculously large squad. If a new manager comes in, how would he assess who should stay and who should go?

Sam at least would have an idea based on what he has seen.

Not advocating he stays btw, but the size of the overhaul required is an issue.
 
What worries me is that we have an absolutely ridiculously large squad. If a new manager comes in, how would he assess who should stay and who should go?

Sam at least would have an idea based on what he has seen.

Not advocating he stays btw, but the size of the overhaul required is an issue.
What’s Walsh doing?
 
What worries me is that we have an absolutely ridiculously large squad. If a new manager comes in, how would he assess who should stay and who should go?

Sam at least would have an idea based on what he has seen.

Not advocating he stays btw, but the size of the overhaul required is an issue.
I'd start by weighing them, then ask them to kick a football in a straight line.

Brutal, but a start.
 

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