Sam Allardyce

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Sam’s best mate is back

Not really.
I don't have the objection to him that you have.
I have consistently said that I would like him to be replaced but not by just anybody I want him to be replaced by a proven successful manager from a major league.

I did believe at first that Sam would be staying for another season and then I felt that maybe he hadn't done enough in his time allied to some poor performances resulting in him being replaced. In the last couple of weeks however I now feel that there is no appetite in the board to change manager again this summer and that Sam will be left to see out his contract.

I should point out however that I believe it is possible for supporters to have different opinions on matters relating to the club, including the choice of manager.
If I want to have Sam, or anybody else, that is my choice and I don't feel that I need to explain myself to anybody.

I do believe that most supporters are not particularly in favour of Sam , but are not rabidly opposed as others seem to be. I think a lot recognise the job that he has done and the job that he can do but also recognise his limitations regarding where we as fans want to go.
However, before Sam arrived we have had two managers who have spent money that a few short years ago we couldn't even have dreamed about.... and we ended up in an even bigger mess.
Many of those who don't want Sam would like Fonseca because he can win a league that many didn't even know existed. Brendan Rogers has as big a claim as him.
It seems to me that there is a suggestion that if you don't want Sam removed then you are not a proper supporter and I find that attitude offensive.

 

[Joey66]

You definitely didn't come down in the last shower Joe x

Well ignore the hype of the media, and sit and watch 90 minutes of turgid football!

 

[4737carlin]

What worries me is that we have an absolutely ridiculously large squad. If a new manager comes in, how would he assess who should stay and who should go?

Sam at least would have an idea based on what he has seen.

Not advocating he stays btw, but the size of the overhaul required is an issue.

Staying up was just one of our problems, sorting that squad is another and isn't going to be easy, I would say it's rather off putting to any decent manger we approach

 

[Joey66]

Staying up was just one of our problems, sorting that squad is another and isn't going to be easy, I would say it's rather off putting to any decent manger we approach

Not if the budgets there and an attractive salary!

 

[COYBL25]

I remember a brief moment where Allardyce nearly won me over. It was 10 December, post-match interview, and he was on it - laughed at the Kopites moaning, talked about how well his side did, kept his own self-promotion to a minimum.

The last two parts was quite literally all he had to do to be a success here.

People would have begrudgingly coped with the negative football until at least the end of the season, because they would have understood how bad we were before he arrived. The results have been solid if unspectacular. There's nothing on paper he couldn't have gotten away with and he'd be going into the summer without talk of him being sacked at all, nevermind mass fan protests.

But the fact remains that the man is an utter bell. That's what has got at Everton fans. The negative football will remain next season, because that's what he does and he's incapable of learning and adapting. His attitude will remain the same. Everything will remain the same.

If he's here, will we do well next season? Yeah, probably. 7th or so again. But will Evertonians feel that's a price worth paying for the sacrifice of this oaf being in charge? Absolutely not.

He is a capable manager of a certain way of football - but, and as cringey as this sounds it's still completely true, it's not the Everton way, and his position here is untenable as a result.

He has been his own worst enemy here.

All he had to do was be honest at the beginning and actually try to get the fans on board, rather than continually taking them on.

If he had said along the lines of :

" I`ve been brought in, to try and stabilise things, the football may not be pretty at times, but once I feel we`re safe, we`ll see about opening things up a bit more. "

He said himself, that he`d be judged not only on results, but also entertainment, which he seems to have conveniently forgotten about.

He`s continued to goad the fans, continued with the dire footy and continued to talk himself up, as some kind of footballing messiah.

He`s brought everything that he`s getting on himself.

 

[Joey66]

Such a silly thing to say.

Why don't you want us to win anything 8 th in the Prem it is then with millions spent!

 

[COYBL25]

Sam was ready to take the step up from "relegation saver" to international class manager. The country was behind him and for reasons we all know he was denied this opportunity after just one game with England.

It was a blessing really because he'll do a double whammy. He stopped us getting relegated ("no he didn't" "yes he did" etc) and I think next season with some backing we're going to see how good a manager he can be with a PROPER club

His stats as a manager, says that he`s never ever going to be a good manager in the Premier League.

He`s created a myth, that he`s a progressive manager, which certain aspects of the media have swallowed whole.

Football has moved light years ahead of his style of management.

He only knows one way to play footy mate and we`ve been seeing it since day one.

If he`s here next season, you may as well stream another live game onto your phone or take a book, as there`ll be that little to entertain, you`ll need something to occupy yourself for most of the game.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Not really.
I don't have the objection to him that you have.
I have consistently said that I would like him to be replaced but not by just anybody I want him to be replaced by a proven successful manager from a major league.

I did believe at first that Sam would be staying for another season and then I felt that maybe he hadn't done enough in his time allied to some poor performances resulting in him being replaced. In the last couple of weeks however I now feel that there is no appetite in the board to change manager again this summer and that Sam will be left to see out his contract.

I should point out however that I believe it is possible for supporters to have different opinions on matters relating to the club, including the choice of manager.
If I want to have Sam, or anybody else, that is my choice and I don't feel that I need to explain myself to anybody.

I do believe that most supporters are not particularly in favour of Sam , but are not rabidly opposed as others seem to be. I think a lot recognise the job that he has done and the job that he can do but also recognise his limitations regarding where we as fans want to go.
However, before Sam arrived we have had two managers who have spent money that a few short years ago we couldn't even have dreamed about.... and we ended up in an even bigger mess.
Many of those who don't want Sam would like Fonseca because he can win a league that many didn't even know existed. Brendan Rogers has as big a claim as him.
It seems to me that there is a suggestion that if you don't want Sam removed then you are not a proper supporter and I find that attitude offensive.

Every one is entitled to an opinion.

By my objection to him is basically because he’s an average manager, that plays shocking negative hoof ball tactics. Criticises the fans and players when it suits his agenda, lies in press conferences.
In an interview last week he even had a little dig at David Unsworth. I despise the man.
My objection to him right there mate.

And all you have done is stick up for the guy, some of your posts over the last couple of months have been embarrassing. Don’t forget the General manager shout. On what planet would any Everton fan what this dinosaur as our General manager.

 

[COYBL25]

There's a battle for the soul of the club going on. I don't think divisive views are helpful. Unfortunately sometimes it's necessary. As supporters we know the direction the club needs to take, whether the board are interested in that, we'll see.

Lets call a spade a spade here. There isn't one club in the top six who would entertain Allardyce as a manager. The last time spurs won the league was in 62. he wouldn't come near their club and we are supposed to entertain him? No, it doesn't fly with me.

You can argue we were relegation candidates in November, fair enough. I don't agree like but once you start accepting that this club, should be grateful for 8th or what his style of management brings to the table. You're killing the heritage of our club, by proxy. And though you may be an Evertonian, that mindset will kill us, slowly but surely.

I look at it like this. Thanks Sam, you did your job but bottom line, you don't have the skill-set to get us where we belong. nothing personal, few do, that's why we worship them, turn them into deserved legends. You ain't never gonna be a Catterick or Kendall. Leave at the end of the season while there will still be goodwill towards you.

After that, this club needs some serious soul searching. Because somewhere along the way I'm starting to fail to recognize the club I've supported all my life.

Can someone put this on Twitter ( I`m not on it ).

Fantastic post

 

[Khalekan]

Sam was ready to take the step up from "relegation saver" to international class manager. The country was behind him and for reasons we all know he was denied this opportunity after just one game with England.

It was a blessing really because he'll do a double whammy. He stopped us getting relegated ("no he didn't" "yes he did" etc) and I think next season with some backing we're going to see how good a manager he can be with a PROPER club

lol lol lol


That is the funniest thing I have ever seen written on GOT.

Yes.....they were dancing with delight from Berwick to Truro when Sam was appointed England manager

And they were up in arms and livid with anger when the great man was fired after one game and “denied this opportunity” to take England to glory in Russia

 

[EFC78]

Not really.
I don't have the objection to him that you have.
I have consistently said that I would like him to be replaced but not by just anybody I want him to be replaced by a proven successful manager from a major league.

I did believe at first that Sam would be staying for another season and then I felt that maybe he hadn't done enough in his time allied to some poor performances resulting in him being replaced. In the last couple of weeks however I now feel that there is no appetite in the board to change manager again this summer and that Sam will be left to see out his contract.

I should point out however that I believe it is possible for supporters to have different opinions on matters relating to the club, including the choice of manager.
If I want to have Sam, or anybody else, that is my choice and I don't feel that I need to explain myself to anybody.

I do believe that most supporters are not particularly in favour of Sam , but are not rabidly opposed as others seem to be. I think a lot recognise the job that he has done and the job that he can do but also recognise his limitations regarding where we as fans want to go.
However, before Sam arrived we have had two managers who have spent money that a few short years ago we couldn't even have dreamed about.... and we ended up in an even bigger mess.
Many of those who don't want Sam would like Fonseca because he can win a league that many didn't even know existed. Brendan Rogers has as big a claim as him.
It seems to me that there is a suggestion that if you don't want Sam removed then you are not a proper supporter and I find that attitude offensive.

Good post. If you're not hysterical about Sam then you're seen as a lesser supporter on here and seen as 'accepting mediocrity' and not wanting success. The reality is that we haven't had success for 23 years now, and have been around 7th-8th quite regularly in the last 10 years. This will be our 4th straight season outside of the top 6, and that is the fault of previous failed managers like Martinez and Koeman, and not Sam Allardyce. As highlighted numerous times, Allardyce actually has top 6 form in his time here, so all the hysteria and 'worst manager ever' stuff is just nonsense.

That said, like yourself, I think it is time for the club to show some ambition and keeping Allardyce doesn't really show that. I think with the majority of fans against him, and the attitude he's had in certain games has meant that he's not capable of pushing us on past 7th or 8th, and the whole point of bringing in Moshiri was to move beyond that.

My concern is who we bring in. If we go out and make a statement with the managerial appointment then I am 100% behind replacing him. But what I don't want us to do is to go for an option that is short term, or that won't change things, and we slip back further and continue to become a club that just wastes millions on failed signings and changes their manager as soon as it's not bringing what the fans want. One thing Allardyce did in January was spend wisely on Tosun and Walcott who had experience at Champions League clubs. 2 of the best signings we've made all season.

 

[mutley]

Having 90% of fans vehemently against the manager is not stability mate.

We haven't had to put up with this for 5 months and fans are already at rebellion point. Imagine what another season would do.

The thing is tho, BS has got results and moved us up the league,

what if we bring in Fonseca (3 year contract)and he's struggling in this league and it's looking like a relegation battle,

90% get on his back after 5 months, do we sack him ?

 

[COYBL25]

lol lol lol


That is the funniest thing I have ever seen written on GOT.

Yes.....they were dancing with delight from Berwick to Truro when Sam was appointed England manager

And they were up in arms and livid with anger when the great man was fired after one game and “denied this opportunity” to take England to glory in Russia

The country as a whole, was looking forward to international hoooooooooofball, with a front line of Andy Carroll and or Peter Crouch lol

 

[davek]

Sadly, Duncan seems to have morphed quite readily into a Merry Man.

Where's his ambition to manage? There is none. He's just digging in here and taking a safe salary.

One of a number of characters we need shut of badly. This isn't a retirement home for mediocre former players.

 

[Tak]

From The Guardian.

A bit of contrast in a newspaper against the head-patting.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/apr/29/sam-allardyce-everton

'Allardyce’s Firefighter Sam job offers Everton fans too little spark

Everton’s football has remained lumpen since it became clear they were free of relegation danger and supporters are hardly being unreasonable wanting moreIn happier times for Sam Allardyce, back in the days when he was managing Bolton Wanderers and not carrying the same baggage that now weighs him down, he wanted some advice about the best way to deal with the media if, as he confidently assumed, his career in football management was going to continue on its upward trajectory.

The man he asked was Alastair Campbell and the trick, according to Labour’s spin doctor, was to see the difficult questions coming in advance, be prepared with a diversion tactic and, if necessary, veer off on a tangent rather than providing a direct answer.

Allardyce, by his own admission, taught himself to say anything to “distract and confuse” his audience. “It was good advice,” he wrote in his 2015 autobiography, “and I learned to do it subconsciously, always conveying the message I wanted to deliver, not the one the media were after.” If anyone pointed out the question hadn’t been addressed, he explained, he was already moving on to the next subject. Switch topics, keep talking and don’t get drawn into the nitty-gritty. And, though he didn’t add these words, never be afraid to tell everyone how marvellous you are.

On that basis, it isn’t entirely easy to know what to make of his assertion that his talks with Everton’s majority shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, concluded this past week with an understanding that, contrary to what some fans might want, there was not going to be a change of manager. “We have some clarity moving forward now,” Allardyce said. “We discussed next season and if I wasn’t going to be here why would we be discussing next season at great length?”

Allardyce might want to believe that is the case – or, rather, he might want us to believe that is the case – but perhaps it is better to keep an open mind when Everton have high ambitions, with a new sporting director, Marcel Brands, joining in the summer, and there is such a weight of evidence that the manager’s relationship with large sections of the club’s fanbase has broken down.

For that, I have seen Everton’s supporters described as ungrateful, unreasonable and unrealistic when Allardyce has, after all, achieved the prime objective of keeping the club above the relegation quagmire. He has done it with something to spare and it can come as a jolt, when Everton seem to have spent the entire season in a state of near‑crisis, to find the team squatting defiantly in eighth after their win at Huddersfield, regardless of the anti-Allardyce banners and mutinous songs.

The truth, however, is that he has always been an awkward fit for a club with Everton’s aspirations. As a result, many Evertonians have found it difficult to embrace him from day one. Sometimes in football it just goes that way and it is unusual, in the extreme, that the manager forces a complete rethink. Indeed, the only time I can remember that happening is in the case of Martin O’Neill, going back more than 20 years now to his early days at Leicester City.

Leicester’s fans took a long time to recognise O’Neill’s expertise. There were protests and lots of aggro. He won them over but he kept the less complimentary letters in his desk and maybe it was true, as his friends used to say, that the “O” in O’Neill used to stand for obstinate. After Leicester’s promotion, their cup finals and top-10 finishes he would often amuse himself by digging out those letters and, in a couple of cases, ringing up some of the people who had written them.

Unfortunately for Allardyce, it is difficult to envisage the same kind of happy ending in his case. He has already lost jobs at West Ham and Newcastle because the fans could not tolerate his style of play and maybe it counts against him in his current job that Liverpool, the club Everton will always measure themselves against, are producing the kind of attacking, adventurous football they have craved at Goodison for longer than they would wish to remember.

While Everton have some of the dreariest statistics in the Premier League, Liverpool have scored at least five goals past every opponent on their way to the verge of a Champions League final – 10 over two legs against Maribor, eight against Spartak Moscow, six against Hoffenheim, five versus Sevilla, Porto, Manchester City and, in the first leg of their semi-final, Roma.

Everton, on other hand, went into the weekend 19th out of the 20 clubs in the Premier League when it comes to the number of shots they have managed on Allardyce’s watch, 19th in terms of efforts on target, 19th in chances created and 19th for attempted dribbles. Again, Allardyce can point out that the only statistics that should matter are the points that have taken the team into the top half of the table. Plainly, however, it does matter to many Everton followers. The supporters want more. Is that so unreasonable?

When Allardyce took the job he talked about an opportunity to show he was more than just a firefighter. That, more than anything, has been the most disappointing part. The football has remained lumpen since it became clear Everton were free of relegation danger. Allardyce has still been the man who substituted an attacker, Yannick Bolasie, with a centre-half, Ramiro Funes Mori, in a 1-1 draw at a Swansea side five places off the bottom. He has abandoned Davy Klaassen when surely these would be opportune moments to experiment with a £23m player. And when it comes to spinning the truth, how about his assertion that Everton were below West Brom before he took over?

That would be true if Allardyce wants to claim Everton’s 4-0 defeat of West Ham on 29 November as his own work. But it wasn’t. It was David Unsworth’s final match as caretaker manager – Allardyce watched from the directors’ box – and the win meant Everton moved up from 17th position to 13th. Allardyce, to give him his due, has moved Everton another five places up the table but he should know enough about the business to understand he cannot take anything for granted this summer, no matter what he might say in public.'