Sam Allardyce

[kenada_blue]

Imagine if Tottenham thought like that before they appointed Pochettino

They had 4 years of 'Arry who steered them on the right path after winning the FA Cup with Portsmouth

On par with Big Sam in terms of a "reputable" character

 

[Billy Dean]

They had 4 years of 'Arry who steered them on the right path.

On par with Big Sam in terms of a "reputable" character

Not in terms of the type of football served up. Redknapp is on another planet to Sam in that respect and that’s really saying something

 

[Goat]

I can name more teams that have had/need a big transition year than I can't - United, Chelsea, Arsenal (will do now), City, have all had one or two to find a balance.

And you think a "A good coach with a proper transfer strategy, and a proper football strategy with tactics etc can take us to immediate success," will happen over one season? With our squad?

Ever since the Dutch Meathead left I've always said he's set us back at least 2 seasons, this being a write off.

It's all down to who comes in next which is a huge question mark.

Bollox, Koeman didnt set us back 2 years, Martinez did that with his 2x 11th place finishes, Koeman finished us in 7th and now 5 star stevie has attempted to put us back, but thankfully its all fixable, we just need to sack EVERYBODY and start afresh.

We still have a squad we paid 400m, we still have circa 150m per year from Sky.

Its currently not all lost, it just requires some big decision making.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Koeman and Martinez both had to be removed with immediate effect. Koeman left us in the relegation zone and the stadium based protests against Martinez in particular were far in excess of anything seen against Allardyce.

Did you see the virtually empty stadium for the players lap of 'honour' yesterday. Sometimes you don't need banners for a protest.

 

[magicjuan]

We’ve taken the more ambitious managerial route in the 4 years prior to Allardyce with near disastrous results.

The only way you can qualify that statement is to accept it was due to weight of expectation. Otherwise it's just guff.

 

[devo85]

You are of course right with the trajectory mate, i dont think he was first choice at all, nor was he mine, he has exceeded my expectations though not on performances but on results. Look i think there is mitigation there, he didnt assemble this team, he has had to approach the situation with a remit of results over performances given the predicament. I have sympathy for him in the footballing context and circumstances if im honest. The board may well sack hi, but i dont think it would be on the basis of performance, i think it would be on popularity and that isnt a good decsion making process in my opinion.

It all depends of how you look at stability, if the club wasnt changing a DOF, and football dept and changes at board room i would have a lower threshold to a change, fact is probably will. Its not just Allardyce its the whole coaching tam that has got a tune out of a very limited squad so from a stability point of view, i think it would be good for the club to have him see out his contract. I think the players like the regime. They have respond with results. I agree if he was here next season performances need to improve, i think he is a good recruiter so i wouldnt have a problem with him guiding us through the summer. Fans dont like him, i get that, that will lead to peaks and troughs but ultimately guided by progress, i dont see that being different to be honest. For me there is a dangerous trend at Everton of the club bending to fan will, which is fickle and boom and bust.

I agree on 20 month manager, and philosophy is important - DOF etc. We are getting a new one, which is why i think there needs to be stability in the manager. Im not a massive Allardyce fan and he wouldn't have been my first choice. But he has done a good job has exceeded my expectation in results and looking at what the clubs needs now, im not so sure its a change in manager.

To answer your question he wants to play solid, direct way of playing and i believe he would recruit on that basis, i thin he trying to play that way but is trying to play with players who are used to possession based football - that is what they were recruited for. I believe if he stays thats who he ill recruit players to play that way. Very much Moyes stuff IMO.

I respect your opinion that it would be good for the club for him to see out his contract, but surely you must see that even if he starts next season with that intention, because he will be starting off with the majority of the fans feeling close to hatred towards him, as soon as there is a run of poor results his position will become untenable. The board will sack him and the players recruited in the summer may not suit the style of play of the next manager. making us more unstable than we are now.

The time to act is at seasons end. The days of the English style of Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche, soild defensive minded direct football should be consigned to the past. My opinion is that we should have a massive clear-out of the club from playing staff to manager and DOF to certain board members and aim for the fast paced passing style I mentioned earlier.

My sincere hope is that this is what the Mosh intends to do, we shall see.

As you mentioned stability is important, but stability is only possible if the foundations are solid. It's not until those foundations can be sorted can we move forward as a club all in the same direction.

 

[brieverton]

It's for the very reason to avoid future managerial instability that we need to let Allardyce go now. And better to do it at seasons end than to change manager again in the course of the next. We are already beginning to get a reputation as a bit of a basket-case club now with all of the ensuing damage that brings. Let's make a clean cut and start over.

It's concerning that Brands/DOF is not yet in place. But for whatever reason if the football next season isn't progressive and we don't have a manager that looks to have a good deal more than a 50:50 chance of seeing out three years in the job, then we are in big trouble.

Managing expectations, even defining them is going to be very difficult but I think what most of us are looking for is encapsulated by saying we want progress. I'll settle for slow progress, as long as what we are aiming to do on the pitch and indeed off it is at least visible in its intent and with the support of joined-up thinking when it comes to transfers, team selection, tactics, and player management.

Allardyce is simply too conservative and divisive at a time when we need everyone, club and fans, pulling together. Safe thinking will lead to stability but it won't lead to anything else. We need to be bold and innovative, and no better time to do that when big changes are in the offing.

 

[kenada_blue]

Bollox, Koeman didnt set us back 2 years, Martinez did that with his 2x 11th place finishes, Koeman finished us in 7th and now 5 star stevie has attempted to put us back, but thankfully its all fixable, we just need to sack EVERYBODY and start afresh.

We still have a squad we paid 400m, we still have circa 150m per year from Sky.

Its currently not all lost, it just requires some big decision making.

Of course he did. Koeman binned pretty much every Martinez signing to finish 7th bar a 20 goal a season striker.

He then spent £300million, sold said 20 goal a season striker, his main creative player (didn't sell but it got to a point where he didn't want to be here), and amassed a squad of his own choosing.

And its awful.

Unless you're in the camp where Koeman was completely not responsible for the squad, was blinded by Walsh, and bares zero blame for anything...then fine.

But you're right. We need to sack everybody. Including most of Koeman's signings.

 

[davmaher]

Until the new DOF is in place - and I'm assuming we are after one - it doesn't make sense to do anything on the managerial front immediately. The DOF should decide on the overall footballing philosophy he wants from the team and put things in place - manager, recruitment etc. to achieve this. Get the DOF in and then we can start making proper plans for next season and beyond.

 

[Toffeelover]

I respect your opinion that it would be good for the club for him to see out his contract, but surely you must see that even if he starts next season with that intention, because he will be starting off with the majority of the fans feeling close to hatred towards him, as soon as there is a run of poor results his position will become untenable. The board will sack him and the players recruited in the summer may not suit the style of play of the next manager. making us more unstable than we are now.

The time to act is at seasons end. The days of the English style of Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche, soild defensive minded direct football should be consigned to the past. My opinion is that we should have a massive clear-out of the club from playing staff to manager and DOF to certain board members and aim for the fast paced passing style I mentioned earlier.

My sincere hope is that this is what the Mosh intends to do, we shall see.

As you mentioned stability is important, but stability is only possible if the foundations are solid. It's not until those foundations can be sorted can we move forward as a club all in the same direction.

Cannot afford to let him stay and get his hands on the transfer budget.

 

[Goat]

Of course he did. Koeman binned pretty much every Martinez signing to finish 7th bar a 20 goal a season striker.

He then spent £300million, sold said 20 goal a season striker, his main creative player (didn't sell but it got to a point where he didn't want to be here), and amassed a squad of his own choosing.

And its awful.

Unless you're in the camp where Koeman was completely not responsible for the squad, was blinded by Walsh, and bares zero blame for anything...then fine.

But you're right. We need to sack everybody. Including most of Koeman's signings.

I blame the director of football, the clue is in the name.

Im not saying he signed all the players on his own, but its his job to build a squad and put the clubs interests first, by making sure we have a LB, a striker and at least 1 creative player in the squad.

How hes still got a job I have no idea.

Im not letting Koeman off the hook at all, but only 1 of them got bulleted.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

The Allardyce effect - bore draw fat Sam must go

 

[tsubaki]

Until the new DOF is in place - and I'm assuming we are after one - it doesn't make sense to do anything on the managerial front immediately. The DOF should decide on the overall footballing philosophy he wants from the team and put things in place - manager, recruitment etc. to achieve this. Get the DOF in and then we can start making proper plans for next season and beyond.

get the manager in first then ask him if he wants a DOF

appointing the DOF first is like slathering yourself in factor fifty and then putting your clothes on to drive to the airport

 

[kenada_blue]

I blame the director of football, the clue is in the name.

Im not saying he signed all the players on his own, but its his job to build a squad and put the clubs interests first, by making sure we have a LB, a striker and at least 1 creative player in the squad.

How hes still got a job I have no idea.

Im not letting Koeman off the hook at all, but only 1 of them got bulleted.

Because he agreed to the signings. He backed all the signings. He even said all those signings will be a success with time.

See the interview he did about Klassen. Club identified him, agreed to sign him, but had concerns about the physicality and pace that they hoped his "quality" was overcome.

The only way I'm having Koeman not being number one on my hit-list if we signed players/sold players behind his back. We didn't.

Also, Walsh has signed some top young talent. Koeman is quoted as saying his job was more to look to the future than the present.

Which is probably why he's still in the job.

 

[Billy Dean]

Until the new DOF is in place - and I'm assuming we are after one - it doesn't make sense to do anything on the managerial front immediately. The DOF should decide on the overall footballing philosophy he wants from the team and put things in place - manager, recruitment etc. to achieve this. Get the DOF in and then we can start making proper plans for next season and beyond.

This is the only way I’d accept BFS being here this summer. Would need Moshiri to come out and say football decisions are being left to the DOF