Sam Allardyce

[Papa Shango]

Form, it was just bad form.

I agree with getting the point, but the lad said we outplayed them....we didnt.

I disagree. I think our squad is mad, we are professional club with no back up left back and no proper proven strikers.

The squad improves with the likes of Bolasie, Coleman, Barkley, etc being available but without them we are pretty poor. Thankfully Allardyce has managed to bring us back to basics somewhat.

 

[Papa Shango]

It makes absolutely no sense for him to be given any money in January on the basis he'll be gone in May, we can coast the rest of the season with no new additions and still finish top half, provided no bad luck with injuries.

Surely that's why we have a director of football? So the players should work regardless of the manager.

Its failed so far like...

 

[Papa Shango]

With the 12 plus internationals?? Nah....dont know why we should expect to outplay teams not to win in 17 games!!

10 of West Broms 11 starters are internationals, 11 if you count the Great Britain team (which obviously I am not) compared with 7 of our starters. All 3 of their subs are also internationals compared with 2 of ours. Infact only Craig Dawson has not played international football (again except team GB) out of their entire 18 man match day squad so I am not sure that can be used as any barometer of ability these days.

 

[MikeH72]

You cant be real.

I am mert x

 

[dublinbluenose]

10 of West Broms 11 starters are internationals, 11 if you count the Great Britain team (which obviously I am not) compared with 7 of our starters. All 3 of their subs are also internationals compared with 2 of ours. Infact only Craig Dawson has not played international football (again except team GB) out of their entire 18 man match day squad so I am not sure that can be used as any barometer of ability these days.

League 1 is littered with International footballers as well as West Brom. They are mostly gash though. Like West Brom's internationals.

 

[witchdoc187]

10 of West Broms 11 starters are internationals, 11 if you count the Great Britain team (which obviously I am not) compared with 7 of our starters. All 3 of their subs are also internationals compared with 2 of ours. Infact only Craig Dawson has not played international football (again except team GB) out of their entire 18 man match day squad so I am not sure that can be used as any barometer of ability these days.

I guess the point is it would be nice not to set up to avoid defeat but to go for three points against so called lesser opposition. Personally I think he's done well with such apoor unbalanced squad. Sort the defence then add to the attack in January. It's an improvement. We would have lost under koeman and still had hardly a sniff at goalm

 

[witchdoc187]

10 of West Broms 11 starters are internationals, 11 if you count the Great Britain team (which obviously I am not) compared with 7 of our starters. All 3 of their subs are also internationals compared with 2 of ours. Infact only Craig Dawson has not played international football (again except team GB) out of their entire 18 man match day squad so I am not sure that can be used as any barometer of ability these days.

I guess the point is it would be nice not to set up to avoid defeat but to go for three points against so called lesser opposition. Personally I think he's done well with such apoor unbalanced squad. Sort the defence then add to the attack in January. It's an improvement. We would have lost under koeman and still had hardly a sniff at goalm

 

[bluestevon]

Realism? With this squad. After Koeman was sacked right after the Leicester game the team got 8 points from 10 games. Things do improve recently.

Everyone said the same thing about us being doomed to relegation etc when we canned Bobby mate, low and behold we weren't as bad as we looked during the last 6 months of him in charge, same thing with Koeman going, people overreacted to how bad we looked when players had stopped playing.

@Zatara - mate we won't get close to top 4 with Allardyce, he is a glass ceiling at best manager

 

[bluestevon]

I think you have unrealistic expectations of what can be achieved at the moment . We are a pretty crap side, and given our performances this season have no right to expect to beat teams like Newcastle West Ham and Huddersfield.

equally, cryarsing about a guy who has saved us from a nightmare when he’s a month into the job seems the height of unreasonableness

Newcastle's form coming into our game was 6 losses and 1 draw in the last 7 games, 3 consecutive home losses in a row, scored 6, conceded 17, minus 11 goal difference over the past 7 games

Huddersfields away form coming into our game was, 4 losses in a row, scored 0 goals, conceded 14, throw in there 3 prior away games into that form and in the past 7 away games prior to playing us they had lost 5 drawn 2, scored 0 goals, conceded 16, minus 16 goal difference over there past 7 away games.

West Broms form coming into our game - no wins in the past 17 league games, 4 draws - 4 losses at home, failed to score in 5 of the last 9 games. failed to score in 3 of the last 4 games, 2 draws 2 losses.

so you think we shouldn't have went into those games with any new permanent manager fully expecting usn to get a result mate?

Whose cryarsing about BFS - i'm pointing out simple facts which show that what he has done so far should be the minimal benchmark we set for a manager in terms of results, especially from a new manager coming in which the usual bounce that a team gets from that.

Put this into some context as you seemed to believe we where going down and have been saved by Allardyce, we had a car crash of a season under Koeman, a ridiculous period of uncertainty under Unsworth, and yet when Alalrdyce sat down and had his first training session and took charge of his first match with the team, the team was actually sat in 13th position - 5 points away from the relegation zone and fresh off the back of smashing West Ham 4-0

and before you say - that was because of Allardyce, no it wasn't - it was because we had finally ended the uncertainty and some players finally pulled their fingers out knowing a new manager was in charge, Allardyce had absolutely zero to do with that result, it could have been any manager appointed of a semi decent level which would have achieved that bounce effect

 

[bluestevon]

Realism? With this squad. After Koeman was sacked right after the Leicester game the team got 8 points from 10 games. Things do improve recently.

and the team got 7 points in the 4 games under the interim manager, even with the uncertainty not making a permanent appointment made in the team. yeah we conceded 8 in those 4 games, we also scored 10 in those 4 games as well which people seem to forget.

 

[bluestevon]

Realism? With this squad. After Koeman was sacked right after the Leicester game the team got 8 points from 10 games. Things do improve recently.

and the team got 7 points in the 4 games under the interim manager, even with the uncertainty not making a permanent appointment made in the team. yeah we conceded 8 in those 4 games, we also scored 10 in those 4 games as well which people seem to forget.

 

[bluestevon]

The reason he does well at rubbish teams who should be relegated is because he is a very good manager. He's proving that already.




I cant believe he's got us 2pts average per game, its like a Xmas miracle.



So you want to get rid of someone whose averaging 2pts a game with no left back and no centre forward...

lol



No one could have done this well...its an incredible feat and if he gets us 7th this season there will be huge optimism amongst the players going into next season...at the moment theyre probably feeling unbeatable.



he hasn't though has he? He played a negative style of play when going to rubbish teams and saving them from relegation. He did the same at Bolton but then gradually adapted it to go short and long even on a shoestring budget. He's pragmatic.



If Marco Silva was doing this and following the Diego Simeone style of play everyone would be raving...they just don't like sam allardyce.

Its quite bizarre...champions league next season and they would still complain...you have to wonder.



That doesn't make sense...weve just turned over a 30mil profit and have a lot of players we could sell and more tv money.





Which team do you support because Guardiola couldn't do anything with this team nor his dear mother.




Snowflakes / Geordies etc etc its bizarre.

We get smashed at Southampton in one of the worst games since the 90s and yet people are going mad about earning an away point against a west brom side with a new manager who have a good home record this season.



Has anyone claimed that though?

If we keep Allardyce and some of our snowflake fans get behind him then we will compete for top 4 next season...no doubt in my mind.

You never watched the same Bolton team that i did then if you think they went short mate, they where characterised by set piece goals and by using Kevin Davies as a target man for route one football, usually aiming long diagonals into the channel for him.


Allardyce 12 points in 6 games
Unsworth 7 points in 4 games

Want to get rid of Allardyce, at the seasons end - damn right i would want to get shut of him, he's a limited manager able to drill a defence and set piece team and not much else, he's also corrupt as all hell and does a lasting damage after he leaves a club with his actions whilst at the clubs he's been at

No one could have done this well? Bloody hell mate, Moyes at West Ham and Hodgson at Palace both came into teams worse than ours by a margin and are both turning those around so that they both look like they will stay up and by a margin come end of the season i will bet.

Massive difference mate isn't it

West Broms home record the last 8 games is won 0, lost 4 - drew 4 mate, you reckon 0.5 points per game is a good home record do you?

 

[bluestevon]

It's a journey. The expectation to dominate teams should come further along in a couple of months at the earliest.

It's unfair to slay a manager over performances when he's been here less than a month and took us over in dire circumstances, especially when we have been unbeaten throughout and he's got us up to level with 8th.

Not arguing that point mate, but i find it almost comical how BFS is being lauded as some sort of Messiah by lots now already, the exact same people will be the first ones shouting for his head when a few bad results come in and you know they will.

I'm not gonna deny i never wanted him in, i do hope he is here that he does well in terms of results, and most importantly doesn't leave an utter mess behind worse than when he arrived - which he has done at practically all his other clubs before, and i do hope that regardless of how well he does that come summer we say thanks and goodbye and hire a manager who isn't corrupt and who isn't 20 years out of date in terms of style of play. Even seen some people comparing this to the Royle team 'dogs of war' and all that - which is absolutely insulting and shows they never saw the team under Royle first hand IMO (as that team actually played at times some beautiful football)

 

[bluestevon]

It's a journey. The expectation to dominate teams should come further along in a couple of months at the earliest.

It's unfair to slay a manager over performances when he's been here less than a month and took us over in dire circumstances, especially when we have been unbeaten throughout and he's got us up to level with 8th.

Not arguing that point mate, but i find it almost comical how BFS is being lauded as some sort of Messiah by lots now already, the exact same people will be the first ones shouting for his head when a few bad results come in and you know they will.

I'm not gonna deny i never wanted him in, i do hope he is here that he does well in terms of results, and most importantly doesn't leave an utter mess behind worse than when he arrived - which he has done at practically all his other clubs before, and i do hope that regardless of how well he does that come summer we say thanks and goodbye and hire a manager who isn't corrupt and who isn't 20 years out of date in terms of style of play. Even seen some people comparing this to the Royle team 'dogs of war' and all that - which is absolutely insulting and shows they never saw the team under Royle first hand IMO (as that team actually played at times some beautiful football)

 

[evertony]

Newcastle's form coming into our game was 6 losses and 1 draw in the last 7 games, 3 consecutive home losses in a row, scored 6, conceded 17, minus 11 goal difference over the past 7 games

Huddersfields away form coming into our game was, 4 losses in a row, scored 0 goals, conceded 14, throw in there 3 prior away games into that form and in the past 7 away games prior to playing us they had lost 5 drawn 2, scored 0 goals, conceded 16, minus 16 goal difference over there past 7 away games.

West Broms form coming into our game - no wins in the past 17 league games, 4 draws - 4 losses at home, failed to score in 5 of the last 9 games. failed to score in 3 of the last 4 games, 2 draws 2 losses.

so you think we shouldn't have went into those games with any new permanent manager fully expecting usn to get a result mate?

Whose cryarsing about BFS - i'm pointing out simple facts which show that what he has done so far should be the minimal benchmark we set for a manager in terms of results, especially from a new manager coming in which the usual bounce that a team gets from that.

Put this into some context as you seemed to believe we where going down and have been saved by Allardyce, we had a car crash of a season under Koeman, a ridiculous period of uncertainty under Unsworth, and yet when Alalrdyce sat down and had his first training session and took charge of his first match with the team, the team was actually sat in 13th position - 5 points away from the relegation zone and fresh off the back of smashing West Ham 4-0

and before you say - that was because of Allardyce, no it wasn't - it was because we had finally ended the uncertainty and some players finally pulled their fingers out knowing a new manager was in charge, Allardyce had absolutely zero to do with that result, it could have been any manager appointed of a semi decent level which would have achieved that bounce effect

Great post