Sam Allardyce

[nsno-chris]

State of some of you, desperate to discredit Allardyce for anything positive we've done under him so far.
He's not perfect, but he is a very good, very pragmatic manager.


Played absolute garbage football without a game plan or style under Koeman for 18 months and barely a peep. ONE month into Allardyce's much needed defensive stability and people going ape.


Couldn't be that one was a swashbuckling attacking centre half for Barcelona with a European accent, and the other is a large, no nonsense ex-Bolton, Brummie, could it? Talk about personality football. Same people probably the ones moaning about "modern football".

Yeah, hoofing it 80 yards and picking up the scraps is pragmatic. So much so that Wimbledon won the cup with it in the 80’s

 

[graeme2911]

6 at the back against West Brom away trying to nick a point tells you all you to need to know about Sam. Wait till next week when Liverpool steam roll us people when then say it’s the players. And Koeman was good until this summer it all went wrong.

Koeman was crap from the off. We were simply best of the rest last season. We barely played well all season, even the City game it was a case of our chances went in and theirs didn't. Certainly didn't have a game plan or style that you knew the players understood. We had a decent (not great) 3 month period from Jan-March where everything was going through Barkley, who was playing very well at the time.


We won't always be playing 5 at the back against the likes of WBA, and if you believe that is what we will always do under Allardyce I can only presume you are being purposefully short-sighted. If you genuinely think that this what Allardyce always does long term, then you haven't watched his teams over the years, and are basing your opinion on something other than actual results, performances and setups from his sides.

But then that doesn't match the narrative against him, does it?

 

[Lord Buckethead]

In that post you have answered the questions why we have struggled so much and why the results seem embarrassing.

He doesn't want us to get pick pocketed deep in our own half so we get the ball quick to the forwards but it rarely sticks. As you have written we need defenders that are comfortable and capable of holding a higher line enabling the play to take place out of the danger zone. Or if we continue to play direct early, a forward who can hold the ball up and link play well. Until that happens we have to be happy enough that we are accumulating points. It's one thing playing defensively against the top teams or when we are the away team but I don't think anyone will stand for this at Goodison against middling to lower end sides.

I can't see why people who don't like Sam are that worried about these draws, if he continues to set out the team that delivers results like the WBA one he won't see out his contract so surely that should make them happy? So it's win/win, we either start playing decent under him going forward or we get in a new man who is naturally more expansive but have a solid baseline to start from.

I guess Sam knows this is the case so if he wants to keep the job he will have to show we can do more than defend in numbers. This is reliant on us getting the right players in this window though.

Don't go expecting and logic or reason out of Sam's more pendulous Knockers on here.
Most want very little other than a reason to fume and wind up. The rest would prefer the sort of style over substance we've unfortunately grown used to over the years since Moist.
There probably is a happy medium that would bring success, but it would require a manager who'd laugh at joining us in our current situation and a fair few hundreds of Millions. The RS have spent over a Billion and are only just getting around to looking at their defence and they still can't get into the CL. We need to be knocking on the door of 5th/6th before any top player or manager will take us seriously, even then they'd have to take a gamble and "step down" their career for us.
We can make the jump up in quality and class, but it doesn't come overnight, Stability Sam with his dependable growth will get us to the point that someone else can improve

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Yeah, hoofing it 80 yards and picking up the scraps is pragmatic. So much so that Wimbledon won the cup with it in the 80’s

Do you really think there will be no evolution from this in the coming months?
Wait until we get a striker or two and Sam has had chance to work on going forward properly.
He's stopped the rot at the back, but there is limited breathing space with a game every 3-4 days to get any training done at the moment.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

State of some of you, desperate to discredit Allardyce for anything positive we've done under him so far.
He's not perfect, but he is a very good, very pragmatic manager.


Played absolute garbage football without a game plan or style under Koeman for 18 months and barely a peep. ONE month into Allardyce's much needed defensive stability and people going ape.


Couldn't be that one was a swashbuckling attacking centre half for Barcelona with a European accent, and the other is a large, no nonsense ex-Bolton, Brummie, could it? Talk about personality football. Same people probably the ones moaning about "modern football".

Or could it be that approaching retirement age and after a quarter century in management he has achieved next to nothing ?

 

[trueblue10]

Its a lot better than many of the clubs we’re comoeting against right now. For example, is there a player in Burnley’s squad (the team currently 7th) who’d currently get in our team, anyone, just 1 player.

I assume they’ll have a left back who’s got 2 legs so probably him, although I’d imagine we’ll address that issue in January but bar that they haven’t got 1.

Ben Mee

 

[Stanley Parker]

If we keep Allardyce and some of our snowflake fans get behind him then we will compete for top 4 next season...no doubt in my mind.

Allardyce can certainly organise the defensive play of a poor team.

We are debating whether he can take the next step and improve a reasonable team to be a good one.

But he simply cannot find the finance to take Everton into the Top 4 next season.

 

[Acelisc008]

I'm one of Allardyces biggest critics but you can't deny he has made us solid again. He was always going to do this. The problem will be going forward, what can he do with our none existent attack.

 

[boris]

I couldn’t stand Koeman, I ma

Ben Mee

Michael Keane was better than Ben Mee and he’s not first choice here.

 

[jerseytoffee]

Saturday was difficult to watch attacking wise, but getting a draw there is not the end of the world. It was always going to be a hard game they have some good players that are fighting for results, whilst we had Gueye and Rooney out, a half fit Bolasie, an out of form Schneiderlin and Davies.

Apparently Sam has been concentrating on the defensive side and it shows, but I would take this than going all out for a win and getting beat.

 

[trueblue10]

Newcastle's form coming into our game was 6 losses and 1 draw in the last 7 games, 3 consecutive home losses in a row, scored 6, conceded 17, minus 11 goal difference over the past 7 games

Huddersfields away form coming into our game was, 4 losses in a row, scored 0 goals, conceded 14, throw in there 3 prior away games into that form and in the past 7 away games prior to playing us they had lost 5 drawn 2, scored 0 goals, conceded 16, minus 16 goal difference over there past 7 away games.

West Broms form coming into our game - no wins in the past 17 league games, 4 draws - 4 losses at home, failed to score in 5 of the last 9 games. failed to score in 3 of the last 4 games, 2 draws 2 losses.

so you think we shouldn't have went into those games with any new permanent manager fully expecting usn to get a result mate?

Whose cryarsing about BFS - i'm pointing out simple facts which show that what he has done so far should be the minimal benchmark we set for a manager in terms of results, especially from a new manager coming in which the usual bounce that a team gets from that.

Put this into some context as you seemed to believe we where going down and have been saved by Allardyce, we had a car crash of a season under Koeman, a ridiculous period of uncertainty under Unsworth, and yet when Alalrdyce sat down and had his first training session and took charge of his first match with the team, the team was actually sat in 13th position - 5 points away from the relegation zone and fresh off the back of smashing West Ham 4-0

and before you say - that was because of Allardyce, no it wasn't - it was because we had finally ended the uncertainty and some players finally pulled their fingers out knowing a new manager was in charge, Allardyce had absolutely zero to do with that result, it could have been any manager appointed of a semi decent level which would have achieved that bounce effect

So what your saying then is " our players finally pulled their fingers out , knowing that our new manager was in the stands watching them", and Allerdyce had nothing to do with it?

Erm..... who was that new manager sitting in the stand then?

 

[trueblue10]

I couldn’t stand Koeman, I ma


Michael Keane was better than Ben Mee and he’s not first choice here.

So you wouldn't take him in front of Williams or Jags then?

 

[graeme2911]

Or could it be that approaching retirement age and after a quarter century in management he has achieved next to nothing ?

Like it or not, but you have to class success or achievement as beyond titles and trophies. There is such a small pool of clubs who won have or can win major honours. We've been fortunate enough to be a big part of that in our past.
However, the teams that Sam Allardyce has managed have not, certainly not in recent times. He has however, completed the job he was tasked with at every club he has been at and had the time to do so.

Bolton, took them from league 1 to top 7 in the PL, UEFA Cup QFs, LC Final
Newcastle - didn't get to finish the job as Ashley took over and changed managers
Blackburn - likewise
West Ham - took them from Champ to top 7 PL, FAC final
Sunderland - massively improved them enough to stay up when they looked dead and buried
Crystal Palace - massively improved them enough to stay up when they looked dead and buried


To say he has not achieved anything in all of his jobs, when given time, is false.

 

[graeme2911]

Yeah, hoofing it 80 yards and picking up the scraps is pragmatic. So much so that Wimbledon won the cup with it in the 80’s

Like we never did that under Moyes or Koeman?
We spent 3+ seasons smashing it to Fellaini.

You're so short sighted, or cherry picking to suit your argument, if you think that is how we are always going to play.

 

[Abraders]

I couldn’t stand Koeman, I ma


Michael Keane was better than Ben Mee and he’s not first choice here.

The majority of Burnley fans thought Mee was the better player, and if anything this season has proved so thus far