Sam Allardyce

[MickA]

Andy, any half decent manager would have done that. It was blatantly obvious, sit deeper and be more compact. We were poor under Koeman, very poor, but the same happened last year and as much as people didn’t want him, I still reckon he would have easily pulled us away.

But he paid the price for a terrible summer transfer market whilst that overrated PE teacher takes no blame; but somehow managers to be working with his best mate.

He’s no miracle worker, but this is what the media portrayals him as. And let’s be brutally honest here, he’s had a fair slice of luck with missed chances against us, West Brom should have been at least 2 up at half time.

People screaming and dancing because we managed wins against 3 of the worst teams in the PL, granted the result against the RS wasn’t expected but it’s not like we haven’t earned a draw there in years gone by; it was also helped by Klopps ego and Manes need to be on the scoresheet.

My issue with allardyce, apart from his dodgy past is the brand of football he serves up and the lasting damage it has on clubs. He swoons in with his gang of merry men and changes the ethos of clubs and then walks away as a hero.

Look at the way some of our fans have reacted, calling him a miracle worker already and “he’s done what he was paid to do”, utter rubbish. No wonder this club struggles to achieve, the entire place has a negative attitude and accepts second rate as acceptable.

Never in my lifetime would I wish to see an Everton side go to West Brom and afford them so much space whilst we literally parked a bus. And fans have accepted this.

Then we bang on about “no quality” in the team. Half those players who can’t make our first team would walk in to Swansea, Newcastle, West Brom, Huddersfield, Brighton’s first team; with ease.

The lack of quality is hidden because of how we setup, plain and simple. We play in our final third, not the opposition.

It was a shambolic appointment by the board and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Well said

 

[Billy Dean]

I mean, I guess I get not liking Allardyce because he doesn't play the blessed "loads of passing" style that snobs have now decided constitutes good football, but shouldn't you guys all wait for him to lose a few games before going Defcon 1?

Just saying like

It's not snobby mate. Which teams win trophies or occupy upper reaches of leagues etc playing the Allardyce way?

 

[MikeH72]

Andy, any half decent manager would have done that. It was blatantly obvious, sit deeper and be more compact. We were poor under Koeman, very poor, but the same happened last year and as much as people didn’t want him, I still reckon he would have easily pulled us away.

But he paid the price for a terrible summer transfer market whilst that overrated PE teacher takes no blame; but somehow managers to be working with his best mate.

He’s no miracle worker, but this is what the media portrayals him as. And let’s be brutally honest here, he’s had a fair slice of luck with missed chances against us, West Brom should have been at least 2 up at half time.

People screaming and dancing because we managed wins against 3 of the worst teams in the PL, granted the result against the RS wasn’t expected but it’s not like we haven’t earned a draw there in years gone by; it was also helped by Klopps ego and Manes need to be on the scoresheet.

My issue with allardyce, apart from his dodgy past is the brand of football he serves up and the lasting damage it has on clubs. He swoons in with his gang of merry men and changes the ethos of clubs and then walks away as a hero.

Look at the way some of our fans have reacted, calling him a miracle worker already and “he’s done what he was paid to do”, utter rubbish. No wonder this club struggles to achieve, the entire place has a negative attitude and accepts second rate as acceptable.

Never in my lifetime would I wish to see an Everton side go to West Brom and afford them so much space whilst we literally parked a bus. And fans have accepted this.

Then we bang on about “no quality” in the team. Half those players who can’t make our first team would walk in to Swansea, Newcastle, West Brom, Huddersfield, Brighton’s first team; with ease.

The lack of quality is hidden because of how we setup, plain and simple. We play in our final third, not the opposition.

It was a shambolic appointment by the board and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Complete and utter guff I'm afraid Christopher my pal.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It's not snobby mate. Which teams win trophies or occupy upper reaches of leagues etc playing the Allardyce way?

Leicester. Atletico Madrid. Any Jose Mourinho team.

Hooooof!

 

[hktoffee]

Chris when we were trashed by Arsenal at home I fear that was not going to happen, that Koeman was not going to drag us away from the relegation zone. Even I had been a supporter of the babyface I believe he had lost the players on and off the pitch and that was the right moment to leave. How we set up as a team, no pace and playing 3 10s but there you go the rest is history.

I agree the pe teacher has to share the blame and he is still sitting comfortably in his arm chair at this point, for somehow.

Let's be honest I am sure Sam was not everyone's choice. I believe from the board's perspective right after the defeat against Soton away, we all fear the team was going to relegate at that rate. To get someone who is known as keeping a club up in the PL, a firefighter if you want to call it, was clearly "a safety first" option. What he did was that he stopped us from leaking goals, keeping clean sheets in most occasions which Koeman and Unsworth failed to do earlier in the season. And thus we started picking up points.

I agree he was the ambitious appointment we need but I guess he serves his purpose at this moment. Right after the sacking of Koeman, I was wondering who on earth (was decent certainly not Silva) would take over as the new manager as the options were limited.

Hopefully we can overtake Burnley soon and we'll see how it goes in May (to make a decision). I agree his brand of football, like Moyes is not attractive but for me as long as Everton get results, I have no problem with that.

Was not. Typing mistake.

 

[Billy Dean]

Leicester. Atletico Madrid. Any Jose Mourinho team.

Hooooof!

To be fair they were more sophisticated than what we're seeing at the moment

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

To be fair they were more sophisticated than what we're seeing at the moment

Two hoofs before a goal? Or a hoof, a flick on and another pass?

HOOF!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

It's not snobby mate. Which teams win trophies or occupy upper reaches of leagues etc playing the Allardyce way?

Lots of teams have been successful by playing defensive football

Just look at Mourinho

Yes, he doesn't play the long ball as much, but then again he's always had a far more impressive collection of players to work with

Allardyce's Bolton side played some good stuff because he had the players to pull it off. Can you imagine if we had an in his prime Okocha right now?

All Allardyce is doing is trying to get the best out of a middling bunch of players

The issue is the ingredients, not the cook. We have an, at best, 10th-7th squad, and he's simply getting them to par. Koeman this season and Martinez towards the end were failing to match that par, which is why they got canned

The way Allardyce is best able to get us to that par at the moment is by playing defensively. It's just the way it is

Leicester used the HOOF to win the title, but they had Vardy, Mahrez and (most importantly) Kante. We don't have three players of that calibre, which is why we aren't troubling the top sides. It's not the tactics why we're in the middle of the pack

 

[MikeH72]

Being a football purist snob when your team has Cuco Martina, Ashley Williams, Phil Jagielka, Aaron Lennon, Oumar Niasse and DCL in it. This is what the internet has done to football fans.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I mean, give us Kante and a proper striker and we'd win the bloody league

He's THAT good

I like defensive football in general though. I think it's just as reasonable a tactic as loads of passing is

 

[Papa Shango]

Even though we hadn’t won away, I did still expect to go away to lower sides and win.

The fact that we never is a big reason as to why the last manager was sacked.

Going to rubbish like Newcastle and not winning on a regular basis with the squad we have is a sackable offence.

Sound...

Allardyce has not lost a game....

 

[Papa Shango]

Who said anything about them?

More managers out there mate

But we have one already.

One who has yet to lose a game for us.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I mean, give us Kante and a proper striker and we'd win the bloody league

He's THAT good

I like defensive football in general though. I think it's just as reasonable a tactic as loads of passing is

We won the passing though.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We won the passing though.

Hand over the "Passing" trophy please

 

[Papa Shango]

When a team goes on a crap run it's usually one of two reasons. 1) the players are struggling with the level they are playing, or 2) the players are of sufficient standard but performances are under what is expected.

I'd say it's pretty obvious that in the case of EFC this season our issue is the second one. As such better coaching organisation was required rather than mass overhaul of the playing squad.

Given that, it is not bizarre to expect that set of players to eventually start performing under the new direction and take their usual place of beating dross. Things can, and do, change, bad runs are turned around constantly in football so expecting the same sub-standard pattern of results to continue is a bit of a folly. If we didn't think it would change there'd be no point changing managers.

Agreed...

We have not lost a game under Allardyce...

Why do I have to keep saying this?