Sam Allardyce

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

At the end of the day, I'd take an ugly win over a beautiful loss

Of course I'd like us to win beautifully (Who wouldn't?) but when it comes down to brass tacks the most important thing is the win, and barring that a draw at the very least

We're supporters. We go to support. Entertainment is a welcomed but not guaranteed by-product of that support

 

[Jimmy The Hat]

Our fans are probably the most embarrassing in the league. 4 wins and 3 draws and people are calling for Sam's head. Just imagine if he'd had a bad start.

 

[BernieH]

We’ve played the lowest scoring teams in the league, a RS team if Mane wouldn’t have been a tit would have been out of sight before we managed an attack, and a Chelsea team that did everything but score

Not to mention the chances the geordie biffs had and rondon missing sitters the other night

So we are saying we have to stop teams creating chances as well as scoring, don't ask for much do you

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Agreed...

We have not lost a game under Allardyce...

Why do I have to keep saying this?

I am kind of shocked that he's facing this level of backlash off an undefeated record in all honesty

I thought we'd have to lose a couple of times first before the knives came out

We've hardly been amazing but we've rode our luck a bit and grinded out some results

What else were people expecting? It's Sam chuffing Allardyce!

We know why he's here and what his job is, it's no big surprise that this is how he's setting us up

He'll be gone in the summer and this period will be long forgotten, with the exception of him maybe winning a one off game with a big club in an ugly 1-0. 2017/2018 will just be the season where we finished mid table, were the only team not to lose at the Etihad during City's invincible season and had an unexpected scalp against United/Arsenal/Spurs etc because Allardyce parked the bus and their manager bleated about it afterwards (Hopefully it'll happen and it'll be Wenger, just for maximum LOLs)

 

[davek]

Lots of teams have been successful by playing defensive football

Just look at Mourinho

Yes, he doesn't play the long ball as much, but then again he's always had a far more impressive collection of players to work with

Allardyce's Bolton side played some good stuff because he had the players to pull it off. Can you imagine if we had an in his prime Okocha right now?

All Allardyce is doing is trying to get the best out of a middling bunch of players

The issue is the ingredients, not the cook. We have an, at best, 10th-7th squad, and he's simply getting them to par. Koeman this season and Martinez towards the end were failing to match that par, which is why they got canned

The way Allardyce is best able to get us to that par at the moment is by playing defensively. It's just the way it is

Leicester used the HOOF to win the title, but they had Vardy, Mahrez and (most importantly) Kante. We don't have three players of that calibre, which is why we aren't troubling the top sides. It's not the tactics why we're in the middle of the pack

Please, this has to stop.

Giving equivalency to Allardyce and Mourinho is something that's been touted desperately on here for the past few weeks. It's ridiculous. In no way shape or form are they alike. Mourinho is one of the greatest tacticians the game has known for generations. He outwits other managers/teams when required by nullifying quality, but only in order to then impose his own attacking plan on them. There's a strategy there to identify particular vulnerable points and exploit them intelligently and ruthlessly. Sam just gets 10 behind the ball and hopes for a free kick or corner opportunity.

It's like comparing Garry Kasparov with Fred Dibnah.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Please, this has to stop.

Giving equivalency to Allardyce and Mourinho is something that's been touted desperately on here for the past few weeks. It's ridiculous. In no way shape or form are they alike. Mourinho is one of the greatest tacticians the game has known for generations. He outwits other managers/teams when required by nullifying quality, but only in order to then impose his own attacking plan on them. There's a strategy there to identify particular vulnerable points and exploit them intelligently and ruthlessly. Sam just gets 10 behind the ball and hopes for a free kick or corner opportunity.

It's like comparing Garry Kasparov with Fred Dibnah.

Fred's dead, but he was a true gent, so leave him out of it you scoundrel.

 

[davek]

Fred's dead, but he was a true gent, so leave him out of it you scoundrel.

He was the funeral director of the industrial revolution, just as Sam is the funeral director of attractive football.

 

[Woolly Blue]

He was the funeral director of the industrial revolution, just as Sam is the funeral director of attractive football.

Fred breathed life into steam engines which everyone else thought were ready for the knackers yard, much like Sam's doing with our squad.

 

[davek]

Fred breathed life into steam engines which everyone else thought were ready for the knackers yard, much like Sam's doing with our squad.

That was Dibnah's penance for tearing down 200 year old buildings with dynamite.

 

[Woolly Blue]

That was Dibnah's penance for tearing down 200 year old buildings with dynamite.

ffs lad, you've got the wrong person

Dibnah didn't use dynamite, he cut away the brickwork and then used fire to burn the props away. You're thinking of the bloke in the 60's & 70's whose name escapes me for the moment.

edit : It was Blaster Bates, my word, they were innocent times !

Anyway Dibnah > Kasparov and Allardyce > davek

 

[pipling]

Please, this has to stop.

Giving equivalency to Allardyce and Mourinho is something that's been touted desperately on here for the past few weeks. It's ridiculous. In no way shape or form are they alike. Mourinho is one of the greatest tacticians the game has known for generations. He outwits other managers/teams when required by nullifying quality, but only in order to then impose his own attacking plan on them. There's a strategy there to identify particular vulnerable points and exploit them intelligently and ruthlessly. Sam just gets 10 behind the ball and hopes for a free kick or corner opportunity.

It's like comparing Garry Kasparov with Fred Dibnah.

Mourinho is over rated and now found out by Guardiola. Historically he had the benefit of an unlimited budget so his tactics have always benefited from having good players. Sam has always had to cut his cloth according to what he has. We are playing the way we do because we have crap players. No-one can pass forward and no-one can hold the ball up. That's why it keeps coming back. It is terrible to watch but Sam is not responsible for this squad. Judge him when he is. Koeman's transfer policy was shocking. At present that's where all the blame should go.

 

[davek]

ffs lad, you've got the wrong person

Dibnah didn't use dynamite, he cut away the brickwork and then used fire to burn the props away. You're thinking of the bloke in the 60's & 70's whose name escapes me for the moment.

edit : It was Blaster Bates, my word, they were innocent times !

Anyway Dibnah > Kasparov and Allardyce > davek

Ha Ha.

Oh yeah, he used tyres and wood to do it.

The feller's a genius.

 

[brieverton]

Whatever ire people have should be directed at Walsh for overseeing such catastrophic failure in the transfer market. He gets kept on and I worry about what further damage he will inflict.

A squad of 31 pros with easily a whole teams worth of them not fit for purpose.

Martinez had 3 years, and Koeman had quite obviously bailed on the club after the end of the summer transfer window, yet Allardyce is expected to have everything sorted after a month?

We are unbeaten with confidence that was shattered being returned - if people want better from him then he needs to be given time and a budget, and will probably not get much of either. Talk about being asked to polish a turd.

We can certainly be more ambitious in possession and easier on the eye but the squad as a whole IMO is average, unbalanced, and downright poor even. This is what Allardyce has been given to work with and I am delighted so far with results.

 

[Toffeelover]

ffs lad, you've got the wrong person

Dibnah didn't use dynamite, he cut away the brickwork and then used fire to burn the props away. You're thinking of the bloke in the 60's & 70's whose name escapes me for the moment.

edit : It was Blaster Bates, my word, they were innocent times !

Anyway Dibnah > Kasparov and Allardyce > davek

Glad you corrected Dave's misinformation about Fred. Now then Dave what other fiction have you been peddling?????lol

 

[davek]

Mourinho is over rated and now found out. He's had the benefit of an unlimited budget so his tactics have benefitted from good players. Sam has always had to cut his cloth according to what he has. We are playing the way we do because we have crap players. No-one can pass forward and no-one can hold the ball up. That's why it keeps coming back. Sam is not responsible for this squad. Judge him when he is.

You think that Allardyce given the chance could have outwitted and eventually outplayed Barcelona as Mourinho did with Inter and then Madrid? You think Allardyce could have taken a mediocre Portuguese outfit like Porto and won two European trophies with them?