Sam Allardyce

[evertonarntwe]

so are all in agreement now that fat sam isn't what we need

 

[Goat]

Pre job - Fat Sam tells everyone in the world that Everton’s troubles can easily be coached and it’s a case of “return to basics”

Now - Fat Sam tells everyone he now needs money to solve the problems

But hes solved the problem, the problem was we were getting carved open most weeks for 4 goals, which then creates a different problem, scoring goals, which has been a problem all season due to us not replacing the number 9 we had up top.

Look I get that the football isnt pretty and the recent results are quite bad, but hes done well to get some of the results he did, he jumped on the West Ham result and got a new manager bounce in, sadly we then [Poor language removed] the bed against 2 no marks and we face 3 top sides in our next 3 games, lets face it the likely result is gonna be 4 defeats on the bounce, which isnt ideal.

We/He has a window now in which the side still needs 2 of the players it needed in the summer, as a bare min, a Striker and a Left Back, thats the very min it needs, if we can ship a few players out then we can look at adding some other types of players.

But lets see what the side looks like after the window, get these 2 tricky games out the way and lets see what the rest of the season brings, at this point I would take getting to 40+ points then voiding the rest of our games.

In Sam we Trust.

 

[bluestevon]

We were 100% relegation fodder though.

And don't be picky! with Sam in charge it's been 2 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses in the league - not.including the fact he would have somewhat influenced the west ham win also and got our first win in Europe lol.

That's all within the space of a month too.

Allardcye points return - 12 in 8 games = 1.5 points per game (4 home games, 4 away games) - scored 8 conceded 6 (+2 goal difference)
Unsworth points return 7 in 5 games = 1.4 points per game (2 home games 3 away games) - scored 10 conceded 10 goal difference 0

Those figures for me anyway seem to suggest very little improvement in what ultimately matters, results and points returned, next up away at Spurs in the league - so can be expected that those numbers after that game will actually look less favourably on BFS as well.

Remove the distractions from a European campaign that by the time he inherited the role was already pretty much dead in the water, throw in the fact Unsworth had 4 of his first 5 games (and first 3 in a row) away from home and the fact he took over after a absolute mauling to Arsenal at Goodison, and Allardcye took over a team that had just won 4-0 at home, and for his first game faced the worst away form team in the league at Goodison, and the picture isn't black and white as some make out.

 

[davek]

But lets see what the side looks like after the window, get these 2 tricky games out the way and lets see what the rest of the season brings, at this point I would take getting to 40+ points then voiding the rest of our games.

In Sam we Trust.

Which is what at least Unsworth would have got us and for no extra charge.

 

[devogue]

Which is what at least Unsworth would have got us and for no extra charge.

im not sure about that, we looked even worse than we do now under him.

 

[orly]

Allardcye points return - 12 in 8 games = 1.5 points per game (4 home games, 4 away games) - scored 8 conceded 6 (+2 goal difference)
Unsworth points return 7 in 5 games = 1.4 points per game (2 home games 3 away games) - scored 10 conceded 10 goal difference 0

Those figures for me anyway seem to suggest very little improvement in what ultimately matters, results and points returned, next up away at Spurs in the league - so can be expected that those numbers after that game will actually look less favourably on BFS as well.

Remove the distractions from a European campaign that by the time he inherited the role was already pretty much dead in the water, throw in the fact Unsworth had 4 of his first 5 games (and first 3 in a row) away from home and the fact he took over after a absolute mauling to Arsenal at Goodison, and Allardcye took over a team that had just won 4-0 at home, and for his first game faced the worst away form team in the league at Goodison, and the picture isn't black and white as some make out.

Wow.

Let's hope he wins our next league game or our hero 'Sizable Sam' (cringe) will only be on 1.33* ppg.

Oh wait hang on it's Spurs away.

 

[Goat]

Which is what at least Unsworth would have got us and for no extra charge.

Not a chance David, Unsworth was showing NO sign at all that he was able to get a tune out of these players at all, his dropping off Rooney told me everything I needed to know about his ability to manage at a level above Primary School.

 

[Abraders]

Allardcye points return - 8 in 6 games = 1.4 points per game (4 home games, 4 away games) - scored 8 conceded 6 (+2 goal difference)
Unsworth points return 7 in 5 games = 1.3 points per game (2 home games 3 away games) - scored 10 conceded 10 goal difference 0

Those figures for me anyway seem to suggest very little improvement in what ultimately matters, results and points returned, in fact they show a slight downturn, next up away at Spurs in the league - so can be expected that those numbers after that game will actually look less favourably on BFS as well.

Remove the distractions from a European campaign that by the time he inherited the role was already pretty much dead in the water, throw in the fact Unsworth had 4 of his first 5 games (and first 3 in a row) away from home and the fact he took over after a absolute mauling to Arsenal at Goodison, and Allardcye took over a team that had just won 4-0 at home, and for his first game faced the worst away form team in the league at Goodison, and the picture isn't black and white as some make out.

Whilst I appreciate your point, I wanna point out a few things.

A team coming to Goodison with the worst away record, based on being an Evertonian, is actually more often than not a recipe for disaster with the modern Everton. This applies to teams forms and players forms. So yeah, it's not as black and white as it seems - and was in fact a good result.

Everton under Unsworth was honestly some of the most embarrassing stuff I've seen. We lost 2-1, 2-0, 3-0, 5-1 and 4-1... drawing 2-2, and winning 3-2, 4-0 (big sam influence)

That works out as 20 goals conceded and 12 scored overall. We would've likely gotten through to the group stage had we appointed Sam already, again I appreciate that is hypothetical though.

Sam has played Huddersfield, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, Swansea, Brom, Bournemouth and united in the league. We have won 3 of those games, including our first away win in yonks.

Edit; also realise before I said we'd only won 2 games when in fact it had been 3 (huddersfield, newcastle and Swansea)

 

[bluestevon]

Which is what at least Unsworth would have got us and for no extra charge.

Ultimately best case scenario is that Allardyce leaves in the summer - so for 'saving us' the club will have paid him 11m for those 6 months work Dave, 2m Compensation to Palace, 3m for this half season in salary and 6m pay off on the last 12 months of contract.

Amusingly that equates to a 212k pw salary

 

[D410]

His job spec was to keep us up - he will get that done his way.

Our fans need a major reality check because we might have to do this style of play for another season yet till we have solid square pegs in square holes.

I see us writing off this season and the next such was the damage done under the last manager.

 

[davek]

im not sure about that, we looked even worse than we do now under him.

He was averaging just less than 50% of points per game. If he'd have continued that he'd have had us way over 40 points...and he'd have got even more if the board had flat out said: "Unsworth is the new manager. He's your new boss"

 

[bluestevon]

Wow.

Let's hope he wins our next league game or our hero 'Sizable Sam' (cringe) will only be on 1.33* ppg.

Oh wait hang on it's Spurs away.

Our next 4 away games are against Spurs, Arsenal, Watford and Burnley mate.

Home games - West Brom, Leicester, Palace, Brighton

wonder how many of those home games - 3 of which are against relegation candidates - the opposition will sit in it's own box content to not have a shot at goal hoping to get a fortunate point?

 

[Goat]

Ultimately best case scenario is that Allardyce leaves in the summer - so for 'saving us' the club will have paid him 11m for those 6 months work Dave, 2m Compensation to Palace, 3m for this half season in salary and 6m pay off on the last 12 months of contract.

Amusingly that equates to a 212k pw salary

11m is cheap considering it would have cost us 150m PER year due to relegation.

 

[bluestevon]

He was averaging just less than 50% of points per game. If he'd have continued that he'd have had us way over 40 points...and he'd have got even more if the board had flat out said: "Unsworth is the new manager. He's your new boss"

He was averaging 1.4 ppg Dave actually, over the course of a season thats 53 points

 

[davek]

Not a chance David, Unsworth was showing NO sign at all that he was able to get a tune out of these players at all, his dropping off Rooney told me everything I needed to know about his ability to manage at a level above Primary School.

...and yet he moved us 5 places up the league table.