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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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Whilst I appreciate your point, I wanna point out a few things.

A team coming to Goodison with the worst away record, based on being an Evertonian, is actually more often than not a recipe for disaster with the modern Everton. This applies to teams forms and players forms. So yeah, it's not as black and white as it seems - and was in fact a good result.

Everton under Unsworth was honestly some of the most embarrassing stuff I've seen. We lost 2-1, 2-0, 3-0, 5-1 and 4-1... drawing 2-2, and winning 3-2, 4-0 (big sam influence)

That works out as 20 goals conceded and 12 scored overall. We would've likely gotten through to the group stage had we appointed Sam already, again I appreciate that is hypothetical though.

Sam has played Huddersfield, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea, Swansea, Brom, Bournemouth and united in the league. We have won 3 of those games, including our first away win in yonks.

Edit; also realise before I said we'd only won 2 games when in fact it had been 3 (huddersfield, newcastle and Swansea)

We would have bombed out of Europe with BFS in charge when Unsworth took over mate, because he would have prioritised the league games and not European ones, watch and see what comes out from him this week should we get mauled at the pit, it will all be about the league as the priority etc and staying in the division.

Yup will agree some of the Unsworth games where downright embarrassing to watch, but in a similar way setting a team up away at Bournemouth and West Brom with zero intent to try to win is in a different way, arguably more embarrassing to witness, we are long gone from the days of bringing a knife to a gunfight away at the big teams under Moyes, we are now bringing a elastic band to a pea shooter team
 
It was dire. The S'ton game left me unnerved too. But the solution was there all the time: to officially install Unsworth. That would have put a lot of the problems to bed.

They robbed DU of his chance of becoming manager FT buy undermining him.
Can't argue with that but some of Unsys decisions were baffling.

That can be said for.every manager of Everton I've ever seen though!
 
Sorry Dave, I respect your right to your opinion, which varies from inspired all the way through to rubbish, and the above is one of the least acceptable. If Allardyce gets us into Europe from the handicapped start he had, he deserves the remaining year of his contract because he will have proved he is a decent manager of Everton. A better manager than the world famous Mr. Koeman, and a better manager than Roberto (Seasons 2 and 3).
Moshiris experience with managers(at Everton) is so limited that if Sam does 'OK' and we make progress, Mosh will want to keep him.
This is the reality, with its if and buts clauses, so any talk at this point of him'gone in May' is nonsense.
I doubt there's any European football for us next season, tbh.

It'll be a matter of job done, we're in the Pl next season. Adios.

I dont believe there's an 18 month contract. He'll leave in the summer after getting us some place between 11th and 8th.
 
I'm not sure he got his team selections right in the last three games. Probably earns a pass, though, due to the fact that he is still experimenting a bit and the fixture congestion.

I wonder if after the Liverpool game we opt to going back to the same team that won against West Ham and Newcastle, as there was at least some kind of consistency in our performance and good partnerships being created within in the team, especially in the back four.
 

We clearly wanted Unsworth to see the season out, but results made our arse twitch and rightly so.

Thing is mate, we didn't, because that would represent the club at the top having a singular vision and voice, and we painfully obviously have none of that, we had one person wanting one thing - Silva for Moshiri, Kenwright pining for the blue to do well and keep the job, and the Director of scouting and bungs biding his time and getting Allardyce positioned for the job.
 
We would have bombed out of Europe with BFS in charge when Unsworth took over mate, because he would have prioritised the league games and not European ones, watch and see what comes out from him this week should we get mauled at the pit, it will all be about the league as the priority etc and staying in the division.

Yup will agree some of the Unsworth games where downright embarrassing to watch, but in a similar way setting a team up away at Bournemouth and West Brom with zero intent to try to win is in a different way, arguably more embarrassing to witness, we are long gone from the days of bringing a knife to a gunfight away at the big teams under Moyes, we are now bringing a elastic band to a pea shooter team
One of my main griefs with the Sam criiticism mind you is that we've struggled to play fluently or show any attacking intent since pre-season. Loads blamed fitness, needing to gel etc.. when in reality we just signed a bunch of terrible players and are totally pants this season!

With that in mind, getting results by any means possible is fine now.. I'm numb to it and expect us to be very poor every time I see the line up for a game.
 
Thing is mate, we didn't, because that would represent the club at the top having a singular vision and voice, and we painfully obviously have none of that, we had one person wanting one thing - Silva for Moshiri, Kenwright pining for the blue to do well and keep the job, and the Director of scouting and bungs biding his time and getting Allardyce positioned for the job.

Ah well its done now, we are stuck with the fella for at least till the end of the season, so we should maybe review the situation at the end of the season.
 
You can certainly argue a case that he'll go in May, given the initial offer of a 6-month contract, and the undoubted reluctance to appoint him anyway, but that still leaves the question of replacing him, not just for the sake of it, but doing so with someone who will prove worthy of expectation. That's without talking about the huge sums that will be required to overhaul the squad - again.

I think Sam will stay if we finish top half and that will be an ok return given the obvious problems we had and a nightmare run. If that's the case then he deserves the maximum available budget in the summer.

We all know his limitations and what he brings to the table but let's face the reality of the weak squad we have and that the guy is already under fire for trying in the best practical way he can to shore us up and gain points, whilst his contemporaries and predecessors would all be screaming for both time and money as the only way of fixing us. He did not inflict any damage to the squad with some of the poor signings made.

Sadly this just underlines what a sorry state we are in at present, and that equally, there is no magic wand available to undo the damage caused by Koeman and Walsh. It's just conjecture to speculate that manager x or y would be better than Allardyce in the same set of circumstances, and with the same resources. The best he can do over an 18 month period is to make us best of the rest again before handing over to someone else.
 

Thing is mate, we didn't, because that would represent the club at the top having a singular vision and voice, and we painfully obviously have none of that, we had one person wanting one thing - Silva for Moshiri, Kenwright pining for the blue to do well and keep the job, and the Director of scouting and bungs biding his time and getting Allardyce positioned for the job.

I think you need to edit your last sentence there mate and amend - " scouting and bungs " and change it to - " scouting for bungs "
 
That hug from Royle signalled the end of his Everton career, both of theirs.
Yes. It looked sad and a bit pathetic.

I reiterate though: it wouldnt have got to that if that clueless biff who owns the place had actually backed the feller with a FT post.
 
One of my main griefs with the Sam criiticism mind you is that we've struggled to play fluently or show any attacking intent since pre-season. Loads blamed fitness, needing to gel etc.. when in reality we just signed a bunch of terrible players and are totally pants this season!

With that in mind, getting results by any means possible is fine now.. I'm numb to it and expect us to be very poor every time I see the line up for a game.

Longer than that mate, we struggled for that since we lost Coleman to a broken leg, it's why people thinking a Barkley or Lukaku would have solved the issues are wrong, they would have just occasionally in a game masked it, it's also why the shouts that the current crop of players are useless is daft as well, they are just badly unbalanced as a side with no cohesion or partnerships around the pitch.
 
Ah well its done now, we are stuck with the fella for at least till the end of the season, so we should maybe review the situation at the end of the season.

What should be happening is what would happen at any semi well run club mate, we should be talking and getting into position a manager to take over soon as the season ends so he can already start to work on ideas and players.

Then again we can't because we aren't competently ran and our DOF is best mates with BFS
 

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