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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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fandjango said:
You mean you actually want us to lose games so we can survive in the PM but lose our manager ?
You’re not an Everton fan if that’s the case
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Honestly yeah. This season means nothing to me as long as we don't go down. I just want some hope for next year and I don't see it with Allardyce.

My life supporting Everton has been littered with failure, the longer he is in charge is just a continuation in my eyes.
 

billyblue80 said:
Thought we were better tonight just hope he adopts the same tactic of attacking when we have it but with a bit more quality. I hope he doesn't revert to negativity because we are better than that there's being solid and there's being negative to the point that when you have the ball you turn over possession too quickly.
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Agreed we were better tonight, but then that itself raises questions about the Bournemouth and West Brom tactics he deployed. He got it massively wrong with his use of Rooney tonight as well, although the player himself didn’t help matters at all given he was a walking red card waiting to happen prior to being taken off.

Plenty of time till the spurs game now though to keep working on our attacking threat and to bed in Tosun. Let’s see what happens.
 
dannyboy said:
Moyes at least got us going in the right direction when seemingly no one else could.

I understand your point if it's made about a lack of trophies but if you think Allardyce will change that then you are deluded.
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Never said Sam would...just pains me to see blues wanting us to do poorly to get rid of a manager they didn't want.

See Martinez's entire tenure.
 

dannyboy said:
Moyes at least got us going in the right direction when seemingly no one else could.

I understand your point if it's made about a lack of trophies but if you think Allardyce will change that then you are deluded.
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Sam has got a team put togeter by Koeman going in the right direction when Koeman himself couldn't even do that, when he gets his team in the summer we can judge but the early signs are looking good
 
4737carlin said:
Sam has got a team put togeter by Koeman going in the right direction when Koeman himself couldn't even do that, when he gets his team in the summer we can judge but the early signs are looking good
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Genuinely wish I could believe it. Reckon I've had 22 years of wishing nothing more but I just can't see it. My prediction: we will continue to finish outside the top six and we will continue to fail to beat Liverpool. Life of an Evertonian hey...
 
We will be able to truly judge him and his tactics by February. By then if we get a real LB in he will have all the players he needs to play more attacking football, if he chooses not to its purely on him. He now has his striker of choice, he has Bolasie back, Siggy is coming into form, he has Rooney and Gueye in the midfield, and a solid enough defense. The two biggest issues to us scoring was a stirker and winger, and we have a new(new old) player at both now. He has the tools, his success is up to him.
 
Khalekan said:
Them wuz the days.

Cahill, Arteta, Seamus, Pienaar, Fellaini, Stones, Jags, Kev.....even more recently with Lukaku, Deulefeou and Holgate.

Since the alleged money came into the club our recruitment has went south as the money we spent has gone north.
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Agree mate, but don't think the effect the amount of money all premiership clubs has had on not just the top end market for players - but the knock on effect across all leagues.

Dutch teams for example are able to sell a player for 15-20m that 3 years ago they'd be taking half or less that amount off, means they then have less pressure to sell others and can demand more and more for them, means when they buy from other lower teams or leagues abroad themselves they will now be paying a notable mark up on those fees, think the chances of getting real bargains has nearly gone completely and don't see that changing any-time soon.

Croatian and slavic teams are now able to get double figure millions on players who 3 years ago they'd be selling for 2-3m, that then has a knock on effect to the clubs that buy them where their price rockets so they can make the same % profit when they sell them on to the next stage etc etc etc

Take all those players you mentioned above, in the current market what would they have cost a club buying them at the same stage we did.

Jagielka a player with one year in the prem then relegated - comparisons in that with say Ben Gibson or Maguire say - Gibson was being quoted as worth 20-25m, Maguire went from a broke Hull for 17m?

Cahill - top end Championship player at the time - probably would fetch around 20m these days for a similar profile of player

Arteta and Pienaar, players who'd been touted and then had a poor move to a club - these days - looking at 15-25m - if you just look at the types of fees Porto and Dortmund gets for players who moved their then they shift on after not succeeding etc

Fellaini - similar scenario - that player would cost 30m+ easily now


In short we need to have a context with transfer fees and not do the comparison with a time when players values where markedly different to what they have become...
 

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