Sam Allardyce

[GwladysBlue]

Having gone out last night, we've got 16 games until mid-May. That's plenty of time.

Others are advocating giving Allardyce / Walsh yet more cash to spend. It's a terrible approach.

I’m devoting myself to slagging Fat Sam/Walsh/Kenwright/Elstone off at every single game in the hope that’s others join in.

We need change, and we need it now. This abomination of a setup cannot continue past this season.

 

[orly]

..I don’t disagree, Tim, but you can’t turn this lot into Barcelona. We’re a poor side playing dire football. That was the case before Allardyce, the difference now is that he’s at least got them into some type of shape and picking up points.

It doesn't need to be expansive, but it would be nice if it was coherent and managed a shot on target at home. Doesn't need to have City levels of quality to manage that basic requirement.

What shape do we have? He puts out the same formation as Unsworth. He puts Siggurdson on the wing.

He finally, finally played two wingers last night. That's not innovative or Allardyce putting some great new system into place, that's dawn-of-football basics. It's taken him nine and a half games.

He's picked up 13 points from 27 from a pretty easy run of fixtures. Let's not oversell it.

 

[BernieWright13]

Not lack of ambition or acceptance of mediocrity.....it's common sense that any manager would not turn us into world beaters overnight so we are accepting that the manager has a job on his hands and it's step by step, slowly slowly as long as we progress. There was signs tonight and against Man Utd that we are now trying to attack and strike a balance between defence and attack....takes a little time, experimentation and the managers choice of players to do it. Patience is needed as it is not a quick fix.

You do know this is Sam Allardyce you're talking about? Right?

 

[trueblue10]

I wonder who had Moshiris ear, could it be Sams best mate by any chance.

No other team in the top half would make that appointment, fact

We weren't in the top half, we were a shambles, dont quote the west ham game either, they were a shambles too, we got lucky that night.

I didn't want him here either, but at the time Silva, Fonseca, and uncle Tom Cobbley were not the answer.

He has been brought in to stabilise the club on an 18 month contract and that is what he is doing.

We are a mid table premier league side with ambitions of breaking into the top 6 elite, the same as every other mid table club in the Premier league.

The ambitions and dreams of our clubs fans are no different to those of every other established Premier League club.

To break the glass ceiling we need HUGE ( Man City style) cash injection.

Its a viscous circle, to attract the best players or manager you have to be, successful.

And at the moment, and haven't been, for a long time , anywhere near successful.

Look at where we went shopping in the summer, lower reaches of the Premier League, mid table la ligua, the dutch eredevision, does this smack of a top 6 premier league club?

Yes, Sam Allerdyce is not what we want, or aspire, to for our club, but the sorry truth is, at the moment, he is our level.

 

[Eggs]

It doesn't need to be expansive, but it would be nice if it was coherent and managed a shot on target at home. Doesn't need to have City levels of quality to manage that basic requirement.

What shape do we have? He puts out the same formation as Unsworth. He puts Siggurdson on the wing.

He finally, finally played two wingers last night. That's not innovative or Allardyce putting some great new system into place, that's dawn-of-football basics. It's taken him nine and a half games.

He's picked up 13 points from 27 from a pretty easy run of fixtures. Let's not oversell it.

..i’m not overselling it and our next game will probably see another defeat, all i’m saying is I doubt anybody could’ve done better with this group of players. No matter how we play ping pong with our posts, i’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine.

He’s done terrific to date but the real challenges still lie ahead. I surprisingly like him.

 

[orly]

..i’m not overselling it and our next game will probably see another defeat, all i’m saying is I doubt anybody could’ve done better with this group of players. No matter how we play ping pong with our posts, i’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine.

He’s done terrific to date but the real challenges still lie ahead. I surprisingly like him.

Again, you've offered no justification to how he has done "terrific to date". Absolutely none.

If as you say he he loses the next game, he'll have won 3 games in 11 (worse percentage return than both Unsworth and Koeman), lost more games than he has won, got 13 points from 30 available etc etc etc

So he hasn't done a terrific job in the slightest.

 

[dannyboy]

We weren't in the top half, we were a shambles, dont quote the west ham game either, they were a shambles too, we got lucky that night.

I didn't want him here either, but at the time Silva, Fonseca, and uncle Tom Cobbley were not the answer.

He has been brought in to stabilise the club on an 18 month contract and that is what he is doing.

We are a mid table premier league side with ambitions of breaking into the top 6 elite, the same as every other mid table club in the Premier league.

The ambitions and dreams of our clubs fans are no different to those of every other established Premier League club.

To break the glass ceiling we need HUGE ( Man City style) cash injection.

Its a viscous circle, to attract the best players or manager you have to be, successful.

And at the moment, and haven't been, for a long time , anywhere near successful.

Look at where we went shopping in the summer, lower reaches of the Premier League, mid table la ligua, the dutch eredevision, does this smack of a top 6 premier league club?

Yes, Sam Allerdyce is not what we want, or aspire, to for our club, but the sorry truth is, at the moment, he is our level.

Spot on this post. This has very much been our level for the 27 years of my life and it's not changing any time soon. We will continue to lose to Liverpool each and we'll just make up the numbers in the Premier League.

Unfortunately, I think it's more likely we'll find ourselves in relegation dogfights rather than have any success.

 

[trueblue10]

Nope, I think it's more that after two years, £200m spent and two managers sacked (plus Unsworth demoted again), people think it's a bit of a joke for people to be 'realistic' about how good a 30% win ratio manager is doing.

£200 Million spent yes.
But the income over that 2 years equates to

£95 M for Lukaku
£25M (estimate ) for other sales
£ 50M x 2 for 2 seasons tv money.
£10M paying off 2 managers contracts

Total £230M

So going by that assumption, our MEGA rich investor has pocketed £30 M.

We got a Santander loan a few weeks ago, and the Tosun deal, still didn't go through yesterday until the Barkley sale to Chelsea was confirmed.

The figures over Moshiri's tenure do not add up.

 

[orly]

£200 Million spent yes.
But the income over that 2 years equates to

£95 M for Lukaku
£25M (estimate ) for other sales
£ 50M x 2 for 2 seasons tv money.
£10M paying off 2 managers contracts

Total £230M

So going by that assumption, our MEGA rich investor has pocketed £30 M.

We got a Santander loan a few weeks ago, and the Tosun deal, still didn't go through yesterday until the Barkley sale to Chelsea was confirmed.

The figures over Moshiri's tenure do not add up.

It's not about net spend though buddy.

Indisputably this club has spent £300m+ on players in the last four years. As in, those players have come in and they've been terrible. Over spends, badly coached, you name it.

That we've been able to recoup £150m of that money by selling just two players rather than firesell the whole squad should have been a blessing. Alas, it wasn't.

Agrew with you re. Moshiri being useless smoke and mirrors charlatan, but if Walsh and the rest had spent the £300m wisely, it would be inconsequential

 

[banno]

Well he’s got 2 points from the last 12 on offer, so.....

yet still 1 win away from collective points of Koeman and Unsworth, so

 

[trueblue10]

Spot on this post. This has very much been our level for the 27 years of my life and it's not changing any time soon. We will continue to lose to Liverpool each and we'll just make up the numbers in the Premier League.

Unfortunately, I think it's more likely we'll find ourselves in relegation dogfights rather than have any success.

Iam 53 this year, and in those 53 years i have seen us lift 6 out of our running total of 16 trophies.

I have witnessed 16 different managers in that time, caretaker, temporary and permanent, and i have backed every single one of them to do the best they can to make this team of ours successful.

Not all of them have been my fist choice and i doubt the future ones will be either.

Without MASSIVE changes to the infrastructure of our club, from top to bottom, we will continue to bumble our way in the Premier League and on the odd occasion maYbe win a trophy.

But i will always be a BLUE.

 

[banno]

You do know this is Sam Allardyce you're talking about? Right?

Yes I do. Usually a relegation saviour and now he has a chance at a bigger club which he knows he must grab his chance with both hands or he is gone. He has a fight to keep a bigger job with funds to spend if he wants to stay. Best position he has been in to show if he can do it or not. I am willing to give him till the end of the season to see if his added players can change our course for the better and actually make sense of this mismatch of a team.

 

[trueblue10]

We will be able to truly judge him and his tactics by February. By then if we get a real LB in he will have all the players he needs to play more attacking football, if he chooses not to its purely on him. He now has his striker of choice, he has Bolasie back, Siggy is coming into form, he has Rooney and Gueye in the midfield, and a solid enough defense. The two biggest issues to us scoring was a stirker and winger, and we have a new(new old) player at both now. He has the tools, his success is up to him.

This should have been sorted on the 1st of January.

My goldfish could do a better job at LB than Cuco.

 

[Khalekan]

They certainly won't be for the rest of the season. Weve blown 3 competitions by 5 January.

And at least two free weekends off when the next two rounds of the Cup are played.

They will all be able to jet off to Dubai for "warm weather training"

 

[balggy]

I back Allardyce. The club desperately needs some stability.