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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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I guess we will continue to go round in circles with this thread, but for me, Allardyce is just symptomatic of the much bigger problems we face. Like any problem, you look at root causes to address it and not individual effects.

I thought he was amongst the better and more practical options we had to choose from, given the point in time and the circumstances. He is working with inherited problems. Walsh as I see things is a far bigger culprit and target for blame, and that's before considering Kenwright and Moshiri.

I am not a fan of Allardyce, I don't like his football philosophy, but throughout his career he is working with fairly average and journeyman type professionals by and large, and has done a very good job overall. So far, I think he has done a decent enough job here. Our problems are not HIS fault, and are not of his making.

I guess on a fundamental level, Everton in 2017 hiring Allardyce, at 63, with his baggage and lack of experience in managing top teams, is inappropriate and embarrassing even. I get that and understand and accept it. We shouldn't be anywhere near a position where Allardyce was the only feasible option for manager.

I do hope for the day we will have a world-class manager with world-class players, in a shiny new stadium, and playing flowing, attractive football. I hope for a lot of things. Reality says different and unless results go south and Sam's signings don't work out, he hasn't done anything yet to cause me to withdraw my support.
 
Kev50 said:
He’s been here a month, steered us away from relegation and you doubt the sanity of anyone who says maybe sacking him in three months isn’t the best decision in the world?
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Yes because long term he isn't the answer. He averages 1.2ppg with a 34% win rate, what is the point in keeping him here past this season? None unless you are happy to just bumble along and keep in the Premier League.
 
brieverton said:
I guess we will continue to go round in circles with this thread, but for me, Allardyce is just symptomatic of the much bigger problems we face. Like any problem, you look at root causes to address it and not individual symptoms.

I thought he was amongst the better and more practical options we had to choose from, given the point in time and the circumstances. He is working with inherited problems. Walsh as I see things is a far bigger culprit and target for blame, and that's before considering Kenwright and Moshiri.

I am not a fan of Allardyce, I don't like his football philosophy, but throughout his career he is working with fairly average and journeyman type professionals by and large, and has done a very good job overall. So far, I think he has done a decent enough job here. Our problems are not HIS fault, and are not of his making.

I guess on a fundamental level, Everton in 2017 hiring Allardyce, at 63, with his baggage and lack of experience in managing top teams, is inappropriate and embarrassing even. I get that and understand and accept it. We shouldn't be anywhere near a position where Allardyce was the only feasible option for manager.

I do hope for the day we will have a world-class manager with world-class players, in a shiny new stadium, and playing flowing, attractive football. I hope for a lot of things. Reality says different and unless results go south and Sam's signings don't work out, he hasn't done anything yet to cause me to withdraw my support.
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Ok so do you think FS can lead this club into the future?
 

LocalNative said:
The worst thing about it is this seems to be as good as it get.

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It’s a thing of hysterical beauty seeing his 100% win record with England.

That table also proves that to be a premier league manager you really don’t have to win many games at all to survive- not sure why this is always touted as some sort of monumental achievement when you see the stats laid out in front of you. The league always has about 50% if not more garbage teams filling out the required 20. Not being one of the three worst isn’t exactly winning a trophy is it.
 
orly said:
But it isn't, because with the same group of players, he is actually producing worse results.

That's the key thing. It's not how many goals we are not winning by that matters in real terms - he is winning the least amount of games as a percentage and playing worse football.

There's no miracle being worked here. There's no terrific work.



Same could have been said of Koeman, who didn't have Bolasie, Coleman, Barkley etc etc. Same for Unsworth. It's an excuse we either afford them all (and then no positive for Allardyce) or meritless .... and doesn't help Allardyce either.

The arguments, if there ever were any, for Allardyce, have all but evaporated. His ongoing work is getting steadily worse, and people are now reduced to 'just back the manager ffs' type shouts.
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At least these 2 had a left back to pick.

A counter debate would be , we have played 5 games in 13 days.

We cannot expect all our players to play in all of those games, therefore you rotate the squad.

I think this has highlighted our squad deficiencies more than the quality of Sams management.

Its easy to criticise the manager but sometimes, fixtures, injuries and player talent are more to blame, and none of these are Sam's fault.

Any manager coming in to our club would have faced the same challenges, but IMO, none would have done any a better job than Sam has done.
 

brieverton said:
I guess we will continue to go round in circles with this thread, but for me, Allardyce is just symptomatic of the much bigger problems we face. Like any problem, you look at root causes to address it and not individual effects.

I thought he was amongst the better and more practical options we had to choose from, given the point in time and the circumstances. He is working with inherited problems. Walsh as I see things is a far bigger culprit and target for blame, and that's before considering Kenwright and Moshiri.

I am not a fan of Allardyce, I don't like his football philosophy, but throughout his career he is working with fairly average and journeyman type professionals by and large, and has done a very good job overall. So far, I think he has done a decent enough job here. Our problems are not HIS fault, and are not of his making.

I guess on a fundamental level, Everton in 2017 hiring Allardyce, at 63, with his baggage and lack of experience in managing top teams, is inappropriate and embarrassing even. I get that and understand and accept it. We shouldn't be anywhere near a position where Allardyce was the only feasible option for manager.

I do hope for the day we will have a world-class manager with world-class players, in a shiny new stadium, and playing flowing, attractive football. I hope for a lot of things. Reality says different and unless results go south and Sam's signings don't work out, he hasn't done anything yet to cause me to withdraw my support.
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All of this
 
jceverton said:
Yes because long term he isn't the answer. He averages 1.2ppg with a 34% win rate, what is the point in keeping him here past this season? None unless you are happy to just bumble along and keep in the Premier League.
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How do you know he’s not the answer? He’s been here a month. His previous record is also excellent when seen in context. It’s all very well talking about win rates, the facts are for the last ten years he has been taking over and guiding the worst teams in the league to safety. The performance last night was the best at Anfield in 20 years, we ar clearly improving after the disastrous Koeman era. Let’s at least give him more than four weeks before calling for his dismissal
 
Kev50 said:
How do you know he’s not the answer? He’s been here a month. His previous record is also excellent when seen in context. It’s all very well talking about win rates, the facts are for the last ten years he has been taking over and guiding the worst teams in the league to safety. The performance last night was the best at Anfield in 20 years, we ar clearly improving after the disastrous Koeman era. Let’s at least give him more than four weeks before calling for his dismissal
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He's 63 years old, he's not a new coach. His record in the Premier League is average, he's never won anything and yet you think he's the answer when all of the available evidence says he isn't. This is putting aside the type of football he plays and let's just say his ethics. Say goodbye at the end of the season and wish him well.
 
Disappointed he played for the replay once we got the equaliser. Think he made a mistake last night.

But having said that, it was always going to be a big ask to get our first win at Anfield for 18+ years, especially with a first 11 as limited as ours and as unbalanced. I don't think he'll be the answer past this season, but he was brought in to keep us up in the short term which he should easily be able to do after the start he made, and it's only fair he's judged after he's added players in January.
 

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