Sam Allardyce

[Cork Evertonian]

The honeymoon is well and truly over for Big Sam.Yet another derby defeat at Anfield, and yet another year without a trophy.Our season is over in early January sigh.Now all there is to do, is wait for this sham of a season to be over, and wait for a new manager to be hired in the summer.I think we can mark season 2017/2018 down as a waste of everyones time and money.Big changes are required at this football club.So we face a big summer.Wake me up when the season is over, and wake me up when Sam Allardyce is no longer our manager.

 

[trueblue10]

It's not about net spend though buddy.

Indisputably this club has spent £300m+ on players in the last four years. As in, those players have come in and they've been terrible. Over spends, badly coached, you name it.

That we've been able to recoup £150m of that money by selling just two players rather than firesell the whole squad should have been a blessing. Alas, it wasn't.

Agrew with you re. Moshiri being useless smoke and mirrors charlatan, but if Walsh and the rest had spent the £300m wisely, it would be inconsequential

And the whole crux of the Sam debate is right there.

He was brought in to steady a potentially sinking ship, with the dross of a squad he has been left, and the injuries he inherited he is doing the best he can, to bring in that stability.

We only have a set number of 1st team players he can pick from, he has been at the club 38 days, he still hasn't had a fully fit squad to pick from.

Lets wait until January is over, lets wait until he has a fully fit 1st team and a couple of new signings in, before we all jump up and down on him.

If by the end of March we are still playing this dire type of football, then this whole thread, me included, will be on his case.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Moyes did nothing.

Well we did get to the last 16 of the Europa League under both Moyes and Martinez.With Moyes we only went out on penalties, after battering Fiorentina off the pitch.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

We lost due to a soft penalty and a rare goalkeeping error.

Can't believe some people are slagging off the manager.

It's the bigger picture.Our season is over, and really Big Sam is not the manager for us long term.

 

[orly]

And the whole crux of the Sam debate is right there.

He was brought in to steady a potentially sinking ship, with the dross of a squad he has been left, and the injuries he inherited he is doing the best he can, to bring in that stability.

We only have a set number of 1st team players he can pick from, he has been at the club 38 days, he still hasn't had a fully fit squad to pick from.

Lets wait until January is over, lets wait until he has a fully fit 1st team and a couple of new signings in, before we all jump up and down on him.

If by the end of March we are still playing this dire type of football, then this whole thread, me included, will be on his case.

But it isn't, because with the same group of players, he is actually producing worse results.

That's the key thing. It's not how many goals we are not winning by that matters in real terms - he is winning the least amount of games as a percentage and playing worse football.

There's no miracle being worked here. There's no terrific work.

We only have a set number of 1st team players he can pick from, he has been at the club 38 days, he still hasn't had a fully fit squad to pick from.

Same could have been said of Koeman, who didn't have Bolasie, Coleman, Barkley etc etc. Same for Unsworth. It's an excuse we either afford them all (and then no positive for Allardyce) or meritless .... and doesn't help Allardyce either.

The arguments, if there ever were any, for Allardyce, have all but evaporated. His ongoing work is getting steadily worse, and people are now reduced to 'just back the manager ffs' type shouts.

 

[nsno-chris]

We weren't in the top half, we were a shambles, dont quote the west ham game either, they were a shambles too, we got lucky that night.

I didn't want him here either, but at the time Silva, Fonseca, and uncle Tom Cobbley were not the answer.

He has been brought in to stabilise the club on an 18 month contract and that is what he is doing.

We are a mid table premier league side with ambitions of breaking into the top 6 elite, the same as every other mid table club in the Premier league.

The ambitions and dreams of our clubs fans are no different to those of every other established Premier League club.

To break the glass ceiling we need HUGE ( Man City style) cash injection.

Its a viscous circle, to attract the best players or manager you have to be, successful.

And at the moment, and haven't been, for a long time , anywhere near successful.

Look at where we went shopping in the summer, lower reaches of the Premier League, mid table la ligua, the dutch eredevision, does this smack of a top 6 premier league club?

Yes, Sam Allerdyce is not what we want, or aspire, to for our club, but the sorry truth is, at the moment, he is our level.

So much wrong with this.

 

[jceverton]

The truth is, the few who are not behind Sam are the minority by a long way.

And this is based on absolutely nothing! Also there is a massive difference between those of us who whilst very unhappy are okay with the situation until the end of the season and those who want him to stay longer term. I doubt the football sanity of anyone who wants him to stay after this season and they should repeat Nil Satis Nisi Optimum at least a dozen times before they drop off to sleep every night.

 

[LocalNative]

It doesn't need to be expansive, but it would be nice if it was coherent and managed a shot on target at home. Doesn't need to have City levels of quality to manage that basic requirement.

What shape do we have? He puts out the same formation as Unsworth. He puts Siggurdson on the wing.

He finally, finally played two wingers last night. That's not innovative or Allardyce putting some great new system into place, that's dawn-of-football basics. It's taken him nine and a half games.

He's picked up 13 points from 27 from a pretty easy run of fixtures. Let's not oversell it.

The worst thing about it is this seems to be as good as it get.

 

[Kev50]

The honeymoon is well and truly over for Big Sam.Yet another derby defeat at Anfield, and yet another year without a trophy.Our season is over in early January sigh.Now all there is to do, is wait for this sham of a season to be over, and wait for a new manager to be hired in the summer.I think we can mark season 2017/2018 down as a waste of everyones time and money.Big changes are required at this football club.So we face a big summer.Wake me up when the season is over, and wake me up when Sam Allardyce is no longer our manager.

Ha! We were 5 minutes away from a replay and had put in the best display there for 20 years.i actually thought we were going to win it going into the last ten minutes.

 

[Boss_Rarkley]

Am I the only one who's not starting to care amymore? Everything about the club is a joke these days.

 

[trueblue10]

So much wrong with this.

Like what?

 

[Barnfred 55]

They certainly won't be for the rest of the season. Weve blown 3 competitions by 5 January.

Correction. 4.

 

[granter79]

Am I the only one who's not starting to care amymore? Everything about the club is a joke these days.

I'm dead inside football wise mate

 

[Kev50]

And this is based on absolutely nothing! Also there is a massive difference between those of us who whilst very unhappy are okay with the situation until the end of the season and those who want him to stay longer term. I doubt the football sanity of anyone who wants him to stay after this season and they should repeat Nil Satis Nisi Optimum at least a dozen times before they drop off to sleep every night.

He’s been here a month, steered us away from relegation and you doubt the sanity of anyone who says maybe sacking him in three months isn’t the best decision in the world?

 

[jceverton]

Exactly. So from now on, one game per week, we should see improvement. The festive period was ALWAYS going to be tough as balls on our squad.

This was always the case even when Unsworth was in charge. I'm sure we will see some improvement in how we play. Bottom line in all of this though is the guy is an average manager and we should be parting company with him come the end of the season.