Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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I think people who have written Sam Allardyce off as a failure after less than 2 months in which he has taken the team from 13th position to 9th position need a reality check.I think these fans overestimate the standard of footballer we have, not even mentioning the unbalanced nature of the squad
We don't have a team of top internationals, yes we have some internationals, but they are B list ones.The best player is arguably Rooney, who was released by Man Utd because his legs have gone.The best other attacking player is Sigurdsson who doesn't compliment Rooney very well because neither of them have pace.None of the attacking players we have with pace are top half Premier League standard.Allardyce has attempted to address this by signing Walcott.The fact that Walcott didn't have a magnificent debut doesn't mean Allardyce is a one trick pony who has no idea how to use him as the drama queens were crying.

In Allardyce's greatest season, when he got Bolton to 6th place and Europe on the division's 5th lowest wage bill he had Okocha, Gary Speed, Hierro and Campo in his midfield.Some serious talent there, he had better players to work with than he has here.It took him 5 years, not 2 months as Bolton manager to get them to those lofty heights

Noone, not even Alex Ferguson or Mourinho can turn limited footballers into a crowd pleasing, winning team in a few weeks.And i dare say Mourinho would be using similar tactics to SA if he'd become our manager at the end of November

Welcome to the forum mate, why not introduce yourself x
 

https://www.tifofootball.com/features/sean-dyche-burnley-showing-signs-evolution/

In English football, perception is almost as important as reality. Certain ideas become cliches and accepted narratives – such as Stoke proving a difficult place to go for visiting sides or that Pep Guardiola’s teams are incapable of defending – even though they strictly aren’t true. These tricks of the mind tend to stick like chewing gum on tar and prove very hard to shake off.

Sean Dyche is keenly aware of his own reputation and how he is interpreted by the football fraternity at large. This was evident in many of his post-match press conferences as he frequently rebuked the idea that his teams were conservative, and when he downplayed the work of the Premier League’s trendy continental coaches in an interview with the Times last October.

“What have (Guardiola, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino) really done? They’ve come in and said ‘we’re going to run harder’. It’s not rocket science.”

It would be easy to accuse the Burnley manager of having a chip on his shoulder but his comments also betrayed some insecurity over how he is perceived. Other managers from the older brigade of British football such as Sam Allardyce and Tony Pulis aren’t just comfortable with their reputation as long-ball merchants, they embrace it. “All this tiki taki football is all a load of bollocks sometimes,” as Allardyce once so eloquently put it.

Pulis proudly flaunts the fact that he’s never been relegated as a player or manager, wearing it as a badge of honour. Accumulating points is the only objective and once the 40 point mark is attained, the job is done.
The problem with that approach is that it has a ceiling. Last season, West Brom side reached the magical number after 26 matches, the quickest a Pulis side had ever managed to do so. At that stage they were eight in the league table and primed to challenge for a Europa League place.

They would lose nine of their last 12 games though and finished mid-table, hardly a disaster for a club of the Baggies’ stature but disappointing considering how well they were going. That hangover carried into the early months of this season – with West Brom winless since August – and Pulis was sacked on Monday.

Supporters grew restless and made their dissatisfaction known to the club’s new investors. Ultimately football is a results business, but when results are stripped away there has to be more to fall back on. There was no track record of nurturing young talent or ingenious recruitment and the football provided sparse entertainment. It’s why there was never any real doubt that Bournemouth would stick by Eddie Howe despite poor form: fans and the board have witnessed the evidence of a wider legacy than simply tallying up points by any means necessary.

Dyche was lumped in with the ‘Proper Football Men’ types in Burnley’s first year back in the top flight, in part due to his comments but also because of the physical, direct style in which they played. That was made abundantly clear in the statistics, Burnley attempted more long balls than any team in the league and averaged 30 more long balls per game than Manchester City. They retained top division status, but earned only 7 of their 40 points away from home.

As Dyche himself pointed out regularly, Burnley don’t possess the financial clout of other clubs so he had to work within those parameters. In the summer they sold Michael Keane and Andre Gray, both of whom were key players in their survival battle, and made a profit on transfer activity. Despite that, they’ve taken leaps forward stylistically and results wise.

Dyche won’t compromise on defensive organisation, but is gradually evolving as a coach. Burnley are a far more ascetically pleasing side this season. The addition of Jack Cork in midfield beside childhood friends Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady has helped them keep the ball better and demonstrate more invention in attacking areas. Hendrick’s winner against Everton was the conclusion of a 25 pass move while they opened up Swansea at will on Saturday.

Alongside the increased variety and quality of their play is the substance: Burnley sit seventh in the Premier League table, behind Arsenal and Liverpool on goal difference only. They’ve travelled to Chelsea, Liverpool, City and Tottenham and almost surpassed their points total in away matches during the entirety of last season. It is remarkable given their transfer outlay and wage structure, and no doubt reflects well on Dyche. They are on course to reach 40 points by New Year’s Day and Dyche has referenced that as the first aim.

The real challenge then is avoiding the Pulis syndrome. Considering the dominance of the top 6 and the travails of Everton, the title of ‘best of the rest’ is up for grabs. Do so and he will only enhance his reputation. Dyche is an ambitious man, but to escape the category of his predecessors, he must grasp this opportunity to deliver where they failed.
 
Not that it will come as a great surprise but the stats show

Since Allardyce came in:
Possession down
Shots down
Crosses down

Chances against up
Busy defence up
Long balls up

Points up (but fewer per game than Unsworth)

Mentioned in an article here on football analytics
 

We need a settled side:

Pickford

Coleman Holgate Keane Garbutt

Gueye Davies

Walcott Sigurdsson Lookman

Tosun
Obviously this is when Coleman is back, Kenny until then. Give Garbutt and Davies a run of 5 games. Rooney in for Gylfi is he isn't performing, Bolasie/Vlasic for the wide men, Niasse for Tosun.

What is the frigging problem... wide men track back and we have a counter attacking threat. Garbutt and Coleman are both good going forward and help stretch the pitch, Gueye sits deep when they do. Gylfi looks up for runs from the front 3 who have extra space because of the attacking full-backs or Davies from deep.

Not rocket science you fat mess Sam! Everyone in that side has the right attitude and will fight for the cause. Get rid of the toxic Williams and Schneiderlin and those that just aren't good enough - Sandro, Klassan, DCL (on loan), Martina....

Even with no other instructions than that we would win games, or at least register a few shots.
 

I think people who have written Sam Allardyce off as a failure after less than 2 months in which he has taken the team from 13th position to 9th position need a reality check.I think these fans overestimate the standard of footballer we have, not even mentioning the unbalanced nature of the squad

I have written Sam off as a long term solution based on what he has accomplished, and how he has set up he’s teams in the past. The man is in he’s sixties, and I will be surprised if he got any new tricks.
 
How can this great club have this ridiculously prehistoric man as its manager?

It's just dawning on me now the full implications of having this clown as our manager...probably triggered by that Lookman news.

We have sunk deep into the gutter with his appointment. This is almost as bleak as it gets. I detest that divvy Moshiri. How can he do that to us?
 
How can this great club have this ridiculously prehistoric man as its manager?

It's just dawning on me now the full implications of having this clown as our manager...probably triggered by that Lookman news.

We have sunk deep into the gutter with his appointment. This is almost as bleak as it gets. I detest that divvy Moshiri. How can he do that to us?

I don't detest the man, I detest Kenwright for not doing the honorable thing and stepping down last summer to allow Moshiri to bring his own people in, I detest Elstone for still being around when he's beyond useless at his job and I detest Kenwright's cronies for still having shares in the club when they've not shown an iota of interest in club matters
 

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