Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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Jt5688 said:
If you were Lookman wouldn't you insist on going to Leipzig too instead of some Championship team like Derby?? Leipzig would rip us to shreds right now and they see enough in Lookman that they want to take him even if only for a half a season on loan. His development will be infinitely better at Leipzig than at Derby, yet his manager would prefer for him to get lumps kicked out of him in the lower leagues instead. Great. Perhaps the reports of his homesickness are downright lies too if he's insisting on going to eastern Germany??

I take your point re players not fitting in and Klaasen, but he has not been given a chance at all. The only games I recall seeing him in were in the darkest Koeman days where he was chucked into a team bereft of confidence and playing terribly, with the crowd groaning at every mistake. In one game at Goodison I remember he was playing the best I had seen him (Lyon I think) despite a shaky first ten minutes and Koeman still hooked him off, not helping his confidence at all. The loan might have done him good personally, but I don't see how uprooting him into yet another football culture and country would have helped him be better for Everton.
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Well said mate.

You really should post more often.
 

chazzle_dazzle said:
Really struggling now where to vent my frustration more at the moment. Yes we won last night, but its still massively papering over the cracks, when we where on the streak when he joined it was still papering over the cracks.

I feel his treatment of the players the last few days has been absolutely horrific if am honest, the comments last night about Klassen and Lookman, genuinely took me by shock. Klassens move fell through, and instead of saying maybe there is a bit of light for the lad and could force his way in, he strips him down...

HE HAS TO OFFER MORE THEN Schniederat YOU MASSIVE HELMET.

and Lookman, no wonder a lad who is considered homesick wanted to goto Germany after his treatment, I would be shocked if we seen him at the club again.

The whole strategy of the club is an absolute shambles, and I really am genuinely struggling to hold on at the moment. Walsh, Sam, they all need to leave... they wont though, I am expecting another 12 months minimum of this absolute train wreck of a football club trudging forward.

Cant believe some people are saying we got points against teams, we also never had a shot on target in something like 4 games - or a shot.

I mean, is this, THIS what we expect?
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I agree with all of that apart from the bit about about Scniederfraud being better than the Dutch Cleverley.

They are equally as bad, just in different ways.
 
For anyone who thinks that Sam is now the special one, it was Coleman who dragged the team through yesterday.

For 20 minutes the team was flat the crowd the same, you could have heard a pin drop, Leicester hit the woodwork and it could have gone horribly wrong again for the fat buffoon, we scored against the run of play, Coleman lifted the atmosphere with his darting runs and couple of crunching tackles.

Yes we did play much better in the 2nd half and should have won comfortably, however Sam was very late changing things and he is not the answer, once the last game is finished give him his bonus for keeping us up and get shut.
 

Thought he done tactically well yesterday. Don't really like him but we made massive efforts to stop them playing out from the back and go long which suited us massively. The team combined well. Midfield 3 suited better. Helped having Coleman.

I was happy with the team last night and the way we played. Didnt just boot it up for no reason most passes were direct and we played nice football at times.
 
EFC78 said:
It will be. No Everton side since 1996 has won at Arsenal away and whoever our players are, and whoever our manager is, we just can't beat a side perceived to be better/or just actually better than us in these away games.

Bournemouth can, Swansea can, but not Everton.
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Bournemouth just scored 3 at the bridge, winning at these grounds is not the impossible task Everton make it seem.
 
From where we were after that Southampton game he’s done a decent job. We were all over the shop and whatever you think of him he’s reeled out wins over Huddersfield Swansea Newcastle and Leicester plus draws against Liverpool Chelsea and West Brom to almost make it most likely that we’ll stay up.

People can mock and say we would always stay up etc. But if you remember that day at St Mary’s we were without doubt the worst side in the league. Job done by big Sam.
 
I think with Sam, it's case of what it says on the tin.

He should keep us up, and for some, that was or is a real fear most particularly earlier in the season and at the onset of his appointment.

It depends on what Moshiri wants. If it's a season of midtable stability perhaps without the trauma and angst of this season, then Sam will be kept on I think.

That could materialise if they are tired of managerial changes or still can't get snare their main target.

I would never have an expectation of Sam building a side to threaten the top six. He is too fixed in his ways and doesn't have the tactical nous to play in a way other than with the bullet-point approach he went through with Andy Gray summing up his safety-first view of the game.

Some of the criticism of him has been OTT in my opinion. I was certainly disappointed with Bournemouth away and both WBA games in particular, but other than that what we are seeing can't be regarded as unexpected when we were all too aware of what he would offer and would not offer.

The onus is entirely on the board to get us someone of the profile and quality we seek. If that is perceived to be Silva then who knows. We need change from the top down but in all honesty I feel we will spend the next 3 year cycle simply trying to recover from this mess and put us back on an even keel, at best.
 

Saint Domingo said:
From where we were after that Southampton game he’s done a decent job. We were all over the shop and whatever you think of him he’s reeled out wins over Huddersfield Swansea Newcastle and Leicester plus draws against Liverpool Chelsea and West Brom to almost make it most likely that we’ll stay up.

People can mock and say we would always stay up etc. But if you remember that day at St Mary’s we were without doubt the worst side in the league. Job done by big Sam.
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This is my view too. I walked away from St Mary's with the genuine fear that we would either be relegated without a fight, or be in a relegation battle until the final few games. That's how bad we were and no amount of re-writing the reality of the situation or sugar coating to say it wasn't that bad will convince me otherwise.

It was acknowledged by everyone (even the Allardyce haters) that we were pathetic that day, but what has been lost since then is how terrible Southampton actually were and are. At the time they were going through an awful run and had only scored 9 goals all season and only 3 at home. They absolutely hammered us, scoring 4 goals, after we'd just been hit for 5 by midtable Atalanta a few days earlier resulting in 5 defeats in 7 under Unsworth. Southampton are now in the bottom 3 and have not won a single game in the league since...the 4-1 against Everton.
 

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