Sam Allardyce

[MickA]

I actually think the bigger problem is that shambles of a defence you know Sam, and the fact they're getting bullied by Championship grocks.

I don't think they're the only pair of CBs who struggle or will struggle against those two grocks which is a sad state of affairs if you're a defender. However, what accentuated the issue was two things for me.

One was not adapting to their plan, be it FBs charged with closing off the space/cross or even dropping a MF deeper to help.

The other was our complete inability to keep the ball whatsoever. No matter who you play at this level if you hoof the ball away blindly or can't pass the ball you're in big trouble. We gave Burnley the initiative time and time and time again and neither the manager nor experienced players done a single thing about it.

Two things all incoming must have from today is pace and ball retention skills.

 

[MickA]

Yep. By his own pronouncements his first job was to get the defence sorted out and so it improved for the first few games. Since then it has gone backwards and is now as bad if not worse than when he got the job, so he has failed his own lithmus test.

Over the last few weeks it sounds more and more like he has given up. However much we might wish it, I can't see him getting the boot while there is still a mathematical chance of relegation, so it may be a case of just holding our noses for the next 9 games until the inevitable happens.

It's a myth. He doesn't improve defenders whatsoever. He simply throws a line of deep lying midfielders a few metres ahead of them for a spell.

One thing you can't criticise Moyes for is that he coached defenders well. We've watched them improve in front of our eyes. This fella? Pick a defender from his last 4 jobs who has improved?

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Still here

 

[neil999]

Still here

hello

 

[toffeejack]

Ask yourselves whether or not City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea or Tottenham would have hired Allardyce in our position. No. Because it was not a relegation battle that early on, even now it isn’t.

Ambition meter has gone right down because of the absolutely crap recruitment and treatment of new players.

Tbf, I don't think redknapp was too much better than allardyce when spurs got him, but that appointment got them to where they are now.


... Or is it just Harry kane? I can't make my mind up.

 

[Papa Shango]

It's a myth. He doesn't improve defenders whatsoever. He simply throws a line of deep lying midfielders a few metres ahead of them for a spell.

One thing you can't criticise Moyes for is that he coached defenders well. We've watched them improve in front of our eyes. This fella? Pick a defender from his last 4 jobs who has improved?

The defenders still failed when we needed them most. Its been a problem for us for years.

 

[GwladysBlue]

I hope this torrid managerial spell gets this oaf out of management for good. Wouldn’t wish him on any team except for Liverpool.

 

[bluenosematt]

See people coming out now saying we wouldn't have gone down under Koeman. Does anyone actually think that? Absolute rubbish for me. Go and watch the games against Spurs, Arsenal, Atalanta, Burnley under Koeman- we were doomed.

Don't want Allardyce anywhere near us next season or right now for that matter but at the time, no one else would take the job. It's delusional to think we'd be better off now if Koeman was still here.

 

[Papa Shango]

See people coming out now saying we wouldn't have gone down under Koeman. Does anyone actually think that? Absolute rubbish for me. Go and watch the games against Spurs, Arsenal, Atalanta, Burnley under Koeman- we were doomed.

Don't want Allardyce anywhere near us next season or right now for that matter but at the time, no one else would take the job. It's delusional to think we'd be better off now if Koeman was still here.

We could have been dragged into it with any of the three in charge. We can't keep a clean sheet and we struggle to score goals, that is a recipe for disaster regardless of who is in charge.

We "should" be OK, but anyone who thinks we are as good as safe already is kidding themselves.

 

[GwladysBlue]

See people coming out now saying we wouldn't have gone down under Koeman. Does anyone actually think that? Absolute rubbish for me. Go and watch the games against Spurs, Arsenal, Atalanta, Burnley under Koeman- we were doomed.

Don't want Allardyce anywhere near us next season or right now for that matter but at the time, no one else would take the job. It's delusional to think we'd be better off now if Koeman was still here.

No one else would take the job? Silva was practically on protest to get out of Watford to join us and Sean Dyche kept flirting.

 

[bluenosematt]

We could have been dragged into it with any of the three in charge. We can't keep a clean sheet and we struggle to score goals, that is a recipe for disaster regardless of who is in charge.

We "should" be OK, but anyone who thinks we are as good as safe already is kidding themselves.

Agreed. City and Liverpool will batter us so next 2 games are massive. In a month or so we could be right back in it.

 

[bluenosematt]

No one else would take the job? Silva was practically on protest to get out of Watford to join us and Sean Dyche kept flirting.

Dyche obviously wasn't offered it (bizarrely). And I'm not counting Silva because Watford clearly made him unavailable.

 

[PhilEFC]

See people coming out now saying we wouldn't have gone down under Koeman. Does anyone actually think that? Absolute rubbish for me. Go and watch the games against Spurs, Arsenal, Atalanta, Burnley under Koeman- we were doomed.

Don't want Allardyce anywhere near us next season or right now for that matter but at the time, no one else would take the job. It's delusional to think we'd be better off now if Koeman was still here.

I think we would have definitely have gone if Koeman was in charge. He persisted on playing the same formation and tactics no matter who played and it didn’t work bs the football was awful

Strangely enough Allardyce is playing the same formation and tactics and getting similar results though, apart from the bounce when he first joined.

The squad is overloaded with poor footballers which doesn’t help though, and Koeman, and Allardyce to a less extent have the responsibility for that (not buying a proper left back in January was a disgrace), but the biggest culprit for that is Walsh.

 

[MickA]

The defenders still failed when we needed them most. Its been a problem for us for years.

My point was they improved under Moyes tenure. Coleman, Baines, Lescott, Jagielka....

 

[chippy1722]

It's a myth. He doesn't improve defenders whatsoever. He simply throws a line of deep lying midfielders a few metres ahead of them for a spell.

One thing you can't criticise Moyes for is that he coached defenders well. We've watched them improve in front of our eyes. This fella? Pick a defender from his last 4 jobs who has improved?

Moyes actually cared about the club, the last 2 managers don’t really give a toss either way. You could see that in the players fight for the team.

We need another manager who actually cares, then hopefully he can do the rest that’s required too.