Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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TheFinnFan said:
I really dont get it. The amount of talent and quality in our squad and this is what we get.

Theres Something fundamentally wrong here.

What it is....is another question
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There is talent but I can't make a decent XI out of it, and more importantly, nor can any of our managers. Doesn't suit any logical formation
 
I said January would be his chance of a long term contract or gone in the summer. He failed in January. Walcott looks a good signing and Mangala I can't really comment but his showing against Arsenal was a poor debut. Tosun he has wanted for a few seasons and now he has got him he is now criticising him. He failed to get a true left back our weakest position and is chopping and changing the team. Lookman goes out on loan, Vlasic not getting a look in and Siggy and Rooney on the bench for the Arsenal game.

January was his chance and he has failed miserably. My support of him has gone and hope he is out the door asap. Against Leicester we had spells when we played really well and we won the game so why change a winning team so much. Wasn't just a tweak it was an overall change. Not sure he knows what he is doing to be honest. Thought Lookman, Vlasic and Beni could have been brought through as they have shown promise albeit inconsistency but that applies to moreorless every player in the squad. If we stay up and we should regardless I have no doubt he will be patting himself on the back.
 
EFC78 said:
For all those making out like the defeat was anything out of the ordinary on Saturday, have you forgotten that we got beaten by these last season in the same fixture 3-1 when they had 10 men for 76 minutes and still managed to score 2 goals to our 1 in those 76 minutes? And have you forgotten that Manchester United put 4 past us earlier in the season, Arsenal put 5 past us already at Goodison, Southampton put 4 past us under Unsworth, and Atalanta beat us 5-1? Last season Chelsea beat us 5-0 at Stamford Bridge.

There seems to be a hysterical over reaction as though Allardyce has come in and turned us from some solid outfit who would go in to these games well drilled and disciplined and would only come away with narrow defeats, to a negative rabble. We've been garbage all season and the anti-Allardyce posters need to accept it.

I completely understand the frustration and people wanting him gone at the end of the season but attempting to rewrite history won't work when the facts are there to be seen. We should obviously be striving for better than Sam Allardyce if we want to progress as a club but he was needed in the dire situation Koeman put us in, and Unsworth was struggling to get us out of.

Let's not forget that after the Atalanta defeat Koeman said this: "It's not the time to criticise the players, i need to criticise myself. “The team was not prepared.. that’s (on) the manager.”

I also won't forget Unsworth's tactic of lumping balls to Sigurdsson at Lyon away where we were taken apart 3-0. And guess what, he played Martina at left back, and played Gana and Schneiderlin in centre midfield together. The same frustrating tactics that people slaughter Allardyce for.
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Whats your actual point? Talking about previous managers, that's in the past. We hired a manager to get us performing better than we were but we went into the game Saturday defeated before we went out on the pitch with Sam's talk of copying Swansea and selecting players that don't put a shift in.

Excuse me if iv missed something but if Sam's complaining again about the players HE selected in a formation HE selected then its nonsense and whats gone before should not matter. Don't mind getting beat at Arsenal, I do mind us been beaten before we kick a ball and the words coming from our manager that are just embarrassing at this stage.
 

blue_order said:
Thing is, he doesn't have any. None whatsoever.
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Hopefully he's gone by June 1st if not before! But the only reasons he's here are the £9m pound notes going into his back pocket when his contract is paid up! The only pride he has is that he's mugged us for what will be his final big pay day, laughing all the way to his bank!
 
granter79 said:
Whats your actual point? Talking about previous managers, that's in the past. We hired a manager to get us performing better than we were but we went into the game Saturday defeated before we went out on the pitch with Sam's talk of copying Swansea and selecting players that don't put a shift in.

Excuse me if iv missed something but if Sam's complaining again about the players HE selected in a formation HE selected then its nonsense and whats gone before should not matter. Don't mind getting beat at Arsenal, I do mind us been beaten before we kick a ball and the words coming from our manager that are just embarrassing at this stage.
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My point is that in the 2017-18 season, Everton have been well beaten by sides with the amount of quality that Arsenal possess on several occasions which points to there being a major issue with the team, and not just any one manager. We have even been taken apart by much poorer sides like Southampton.

He wasn't hired to get us performing much better against the top 6 sides by the way so maybe that is where you're expectations are too high for this season. He was officially appointed at a time when we were on a losing run of 5 in 7, 2 points ahead of the drop (17th place) to steer us away from a relegation battle. He looks to have done that and with a few more wins will have us officially safe. We are in the top 10 and 7 points above the drop.

I fully understand the frustrations of the support that this is what this season has been reduced to, but unfortunately that is where we are. I disagree with him that we should write off this season, as 7th place is still a very realistic and achievable aim, and for me that is where he will eventually become unstuck because his ambitions and idea of success/progress for this Football Club are not in keeping with the supporters or Farhad Moshiri.
 
chazzle_dazzle said:
The world is a big place with lots of successful managers outside of the elite... there is no way on this earth Sam Allardyces CV stacks up against 90% of the managers who could be available.

But he has kept some no mark clubs in the league - sound.

I think you must have watched very different games to me mate, because some of the performances (a defeat or draw I can take if we show heart) have been utterly terrible, worse then Koemans - the run of 0 shorts on goal was embarrassing.
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A lot say this and I can go along with it, but it would be good to actually discuss these managers with names given. Realistic names too and not ones like Simeone who would laugh at the notion of joining Everton FC as manager.
 
EFC78 said:
A lot say this and I can go along with it, but it would be good to actually discuss these managers with names given. Realistic names too and not ones like Simeone who would laugh at the notion of joining Everton FC as manager.
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Hence not talking about the elite... there is a world wide list of managers who have a better CV, but we refuse (I dont know why) to look further then our shores, does anyone believe if we where in this situation 2 years ago that Marco Silva would have been of interest? I certainly dont.

Fonseca should be without doubt up at the top of the list, will be out of contract, basically begged to come to England, won trophies, champs league experience against English teams (and won), speaks the language... whats not to like? Oh, he doesn't have prem experience.

There is loads of good managers out there, our problem (as a club and fanbase to a degree) are scared of thinking outside the box...

I stil hate that we left Favre waiting to call him back, and he got tired of waiting and went to Nice.
 

chazzle_dazzle said:
Hence not talking about the elite... there is a world wide list of managers who have a better CV, but we refuse (I dont know why) to look further then our shores, does anyone believe if we where in this situation 2 years ago that Marco Silva would have been of interest? I certainly dont.

Fonseca should be without doubt up at the top of the list, will be out of contract, basically begged to come to England, won trophies, champs league experience against English teams (and won), speaks the language... whats not to like? Oh, he doesn't have prem experience.

There is loads of good managers out there, our problem (as a club and fanbase to a degree) are scared of thinking outside the box...

I stil hate that we left Favre waiting to call him back, and he got tired of waiting and went to Nice.
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Don't be so stupid. We should be looking no further than Mark hughes, John Gregory or Ron Atkinson next.
 
EFC78 said:
My point is that in the 2017-18 season, Everton have been well beaten by sides with the amount of quality that Arsenal possess on several occasions which points to there being a major issue with the team, and not just any one manager. We have even been taken apart by much poorer sides like Southampton.

He wasn't hired to get us performing much better against the top 6 sides by the way so maybe that is where you're expectations are too high for this season. He was officially appointed at a time when we were on a losing run of 5 in 7, 2 points ahead of the drop (17th place) to steer us away from a relegation battle. He looks to have done that and with a few more wins will have us officially safe. We are in the top 10 and 7 points above the drop.

I fully understand the frustrations of the support that this is what this season has been reduced to, but unfortunately that is where we are. I disagree with him that we should write off this season, as 7th place is still a very realistic and achievable aim, and for me that is where he will eventually become unstuck because his ambitions and idea of success/progress for this Football Club are not in keeping with the supporters or Farhad Moshiri.
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So he gets several thousand pounds a week to watch video's of Swansea and try to match there performance while persisting with players who are clearly not performing and throwing in a defender who is clearly off the pace and just not good enough.
Id admire your outlook I really do but we are an absolute laughing stock and to say we should not be performing better against the top 6 teams (even if we get beat) shows the tone coming from the club from the top down is actually rubbing off on some fans which is very sad.

Watch the teams below us go into every game till the end of the season give 100% to get 3 points while we fall across the line with 3 more wins. Id we have to accept this attitude we might as well give up now
 
MickA said:
Good point that. Limping to 40 points with this squad isn't an achievement it's an embarrassment and shouldn't be tolerated.

He clearly wrote the Arsenal game off at Finch Farm which is his usual way of prioritising but it places an enormous amount of pressure on the team to deliver against Palace. Said it before, I can't stand him but never thought he was stupid but we've never really recovered from that spell over Christmas against WBA and Bournemouth. The use of the squad and the tactics were really poor.

He has some big decisions to make as he has players who want out and players who aren't performing who he constantly picks. He's well out of his comfort zone with EFC and it shows big time.
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We recruited a lot of players who had been regarded by themselves and certainly the media as the best players in poor teams and ones who had been getting those teams punching above their weight so to speak.

Likes of Schneiderlin at Saints, Keane at Burnley, Willliams and Sigurdsson at Swansea, Pickford at Sunderland, Sandro at Malaga, Bolasie at Palace, none of them with the exceptions of Pickford and Sigurdsson have any fight in them, the word big time charlies comes to mind, all of those have shown themselves to be the type of fish thats ok in a small pond with other little fish they can laud it over, stick them in a bigger team with bigger names and they have melted and whats worse they keep spouting crap in the media about fight and constantly show none of it, Schneiderlin being the worst with williams a close second

It's obvious that Allardyce has tried to rotate to get people fighting to get in the team, and what he's failed to realise that some jsut cba, some he is picking not on merit week in week out which ultimately undermines that method of trying to motivate the others as they see whats happening, the young lads who seem a close unit, have seen a couple of them being lambasted in the media by him, which frankly makes me think none of them will want that boss now.

as for us writing off games to focus on others, 100% this, and the last manager who did that for me was Moyes with the Derby being sacrificed embarrassingly so to focus on the cup game, and from that point on he was done at this club for me anyway.

One of the biggest things about managing better teams is dealing with bigger name players, bigger egos and agents, and managing the squad, it's easy to motivate a group of 18 players with the 'we are in this together' etc, a lot harder when you're giving that speel to 30 - of which half may hardly feature and the others cba
 

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