Scottish football

[The Celtic View]

I think he should’ve asked for them to wait. He could’ve won a treble treble, instead he has to prepare for nothing games between now and May. Yes take the job, but get them to have a caretaker between now and May.

I'm guessing he would have said that, but Leicester must have told Rodgers its now or never. I didn't realise Leicester were only 8 points clear of the relegation zone.

 

[The Celtic View]

So what we're saying is Brenda although he stated his love for Celtic used it as a stepping stone. ...
Because of his rs connection i hope he fails considerably.

I reckon when Celtic are looking to sign players, they themselves will cite players like van Dijk Wanyama, Forster etc, and say to potential signings "If you play well with us, you'll get a move to the EPL"

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Celtic supporters not happy with Rodgers

He's getting called all sorts

It felt like reading our forum 5 years ago lol lol

 

[larbert toffee]

So what we're saying is Brenda although he stated his love for Celtic used it as a stepping stone. ...
Because of his rs connection i hope he fails considerably.

I certainly get your sentiment with him being ex RS but for all he said in professing his love for the Hoops he was always going to leave to come back to the EPL when the time was right, I'm sure there would have been an agreement in place to accommodate that hence why the club didn't put up a fight and instantly allowed him to talk to the Foxes.

Celtic supporters not happy with Rodgers

I could understand them being dissapointed but as above there would have always been an agreement in place to return to the EPL and as @The Celtic View stated it is the club transfer policy to bring in players with potential and allow them to move on to a bigger league for a tidy profit so it has to be the same for the manager.

Rodgers and Celtic have been good for each other and although the timing is unfortunate for the Hoops, IMO it was always going to end like this with Rodgers moving back to the EPL as soon as a suitable club came calling I just would have thought that was more widely understood amongst the fans.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I certainly get your sentiment with him being ex RS but for all he said in professing his love for the Hoops he was always going to leave to come back to the EPL when the time was right, I'm sure there would have been an agreement in place to accommodate that hence why the club didn't put up a fight and instantly allowed him to talk to the Foxes.


I could understand them being dissapointed but as above there would have always been an agreement in place to return to the EPL and as @The Celtic View stated it is the club transfer policy to bring in players with potential and allow them to move on to a bigger league for a tidy profit so it has to be the same for the manager.

Rodgers and Celtic have been good for each other and although the timing is unfortunate for the Hoops, IMO it was always going to end like this with Rodgers moving back to the EPL as soon as a suitable club came calling I just would have thought that was more widely understood amongst the fans.

They seem convinced that he was offered to finish the season at Celtic and then start at Leicester in the summer, but he wanted to come right away, and that seems to be why they're so annoyed

There's no proof of that of course

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Just Scotland, or would you say the same about Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, or Portugal?

The fact is, Sky have completely distorted football with the insane amounts of money they pump into the EPL. When Celtic signed Chris Sutton, he was one of the best strikers in the UK. Celtic paid around six million pounds for Sutton., and paid him around twenty grand a week. Nowadays a journeyman player in the EPL will be on around sixty thousand a week.

Not many countries can match these amounts, so it leads to players all being desperate to come here, and sign for clubs who haven't been relevant when it comes to winning trophies for a very long time, although in fairness Leicester won the EPL a couple of seasons ago so I'll give them a pass, rather than sign for a club who will win competitions.

So you have a situation where someone would rather play for a club like say Watford, survive in the EPL with little or no chance of adding to their silverware, but their fans can look down on teams from other countries who get to finals, and actually win trophies, which when I was young football was all about. Now, it's all about survival. It doesn't matter if you don't actually win anything, as long as you can stay up.

Even European football is looked down upon, unless it's the Champions League. In the past the CWC, and in particular the UEFA Cup, were cracking tournaments which featured some of the best sides in Europe, but the desire for money has meant the Champions League have become like the European Cup, and UEFA Cup combined, and the Europa League is derided. I remember Ashley Williams when he was at Swansea saying he didn't want to be in the Europa League, as they wanted to concentrate on The Premiership. At the risk of sounding like an EPL snob, bloody Swansea aren't interested in European football! You couldn't make it up.

The traditional values are gone. Even the FA Cup which was a massive tournament worldwide has been devalued. I can remember semi finals, and even games from the early rounds of the tournament from the early 70's. Now I would struggle to tell you who won the cup in a particular year recently, and might even struggle to remember the goals when told who won it that year.

I can well understand the lure of money, it's very important, but Sky has created a monster with Danny Blind, coach of Ajax, saying a few years ago that Ajax couldn't compete with teams from The Championship for players. Ajax, one of the worlds most famous clubs who win trophies, and compete in Europe almost every season, can't compete with teams in the second tier of English football! It's absolute ,madness.

Sky has destroyed real football with their greed is good mantra, and this mantra has produced a tournament, The Champions league, in which they'd be as well just inviting 7 clubs to compete in the final stages, and have a live draw to see which lucky club get's drawn out of the hat to be handed the wild card to play in the quarter finals of the competition. UEFA don't want clubs from countries like Scotland, Greece, Switzerland, Sweden, or Austria etc.

The final kick in the cojones, is when teams from these countries are eliminated from The Champions League, and their teams play a domestic game, these games aren't even allowed to be televised, because UEFA have decided people must be force fed watching the same old Real Madrid v Bayern ties, when they would much rather watch a domestic game. In recent years, on two separate occasions, Hearts and Hibs have had a Scottish Cup replay on the same nights as Champions league games, and Scottish folk, who would much rather watch the domestic game, are denied the opportunity. Rangers and Kilmarnock have also had a couple of replays which no one up here could see on TV, because UEFA refuse to allow any games to compete with their premier tournament.

I used to love European games, in all of the tournaments. Nowadays it bores me, unless Celtic are involved, with the same players diving around the same pitches, every single season.

For me, this is the legacy of Sky. They have helped destroy the traditional values of football, and now we have PLC's, and foreign billionaires, pumping more and more money into a handful of leagues in Europe, and this money means players all want to play in those leagues, creating an ever wider gap between different leagues, but still leaving the problem of players desperate to play in the EPL, and absolutely ecstatic as long as they manage to stay in it, with the actual winning of those trophies being a mere afterthought.

I think Carragher summed it up, it is really sad but it has been that way for some time.

"As soon as it became clear Leicester City wanted Brendan Rodgers, I had no doubt he would leave Celtic and take the job. The power and lure of the Premier League has spoken.

I have to admit to being saddened for the Scottish game this has happened. There was a time when it would have been inconceivable a club of Celtic’s size and history would lose their manager to Leicester City.

That is not meant as disrespect to Leicester, but Celtic are a world-renowned football club, with an extraordinary fanbase. They are an institution.

If they had the finances to genuinely compete for European trophies – as they once did – this kind of move would never happen.

The money in English football has changed everything. I am not only talking about the motivation of personal finance for managers and players, but the resources to sign the best talent, develop the most productive Academies, offer longer contracts to those who will be pursued by the Champions League clubs. Difficult as it will be for Celtic to accept, Leicester – like all Premier League clubs – are more equipped to meet the ambitions of a top manager. All of the best coaches want to be here, and although there is understandable disappointment at the timing of Rodgers’ move back to the Premier League, no-one can be really surprised by it. He was always going to be back."


Forget sky as a company pay TV is and was inevitable. You can't stop progress, just as you can't turn back the clock and wish away the invention of radio, or televised matches or more generally, online shopping because it's killing the high street. lf it hadn't been Sky it would have been somebody else, pay TV from Time-Warner, Comcast, Disney or even BT.

Pay TV is a business and must attract a huge customer base to be profitable, sport is big business - a huge magnet for customers and football is by some way the most popular sport in this country. Other sports such as cricket have also been grabbed, but its football that is major and targeting that was always inevitable - make it a loss leader for the first few years and once big enough you can start to make huge profits - it really was inevitable.

You really can't just blame or wish pay TV away, and blame it all on the leading supplier, if it hadn't been them it would have happened anyway, the premier league as a business has taken advantage, and it is a business - it will try and make money and future moves into putting matches on other platforms such as Amazon will happen too. it's almost like bemoaning the way of the world we live live in today. It's market driven and businesses must maximize profits.

 

[Harryflashman]

Celtic supporters not happy with Rodgers

He's getting called all sorts

It felt like reading our forum 5 years ago lollol

Dembele putting the boot in as well

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Dembele putting the boot in as well

Hang on, didn't he scarper as well? lol

 

[Harryflashman]

Hang on, didn't he scarper as well? lol

Yeah but tweeted veiled comments when he left about being careful who you trust or people breaking their word , he’s basucslly saying told you so today .

 

[Brendan Janus]

I think Brenda needs counselling ! Celtic to Leicester lol

 

[The Celtic View]

I think Carragher summed it up, it is really sad but it has been that way for some time.

"As soon as it became clear Leicester City wanted Brendan Rodgers, I had no doubt he would leave Celtic and take the job. The power and lure of the Premier League has spoken.

I have to admit to being saddened for the Scottish game this has happened. There was a time when it would have been inconceivable a club of Celtic’s size and history would lose their manager to Leicester City.

That is not meant as disrespect to Leicester, but Celtic are a world-renowned football club, with an extraordinary fanbase. They are an institution.

If they had the finances to genuinely compete for European trophies – as they once did – this kind of move would never happen.

The money in English football has changed everything. I am not only talking about the motivation of personal finance for managers and players, but the resources to sign the best talent, develop the most productive Academies, offer longer contracts to those who will be pursued by the Champions League clubs. Difficult as it will be for Celtic to accept, Leicester – like all Premier League clubs – are more equipped to meet the ambitions of a top manager. All of the best coaches want to be here, and although there is understandable disappointment at the timing of Rodgers’ move back to the Premier League, no-one can be really surprised by it. He was always going to be back."


Forget sky as a company pay TV is and was inevitable. You can't stop progress, just as you can't turn back the clock and wish away the invention of radio, or televised matches or more generally, online shopping because it's killing the high street. lf it hadn't been Sky it would have been somebody else, pay TV from Time-Warner, Comcast, Disney or even BT.

Pay TV is a business and must attract a huge customer base to be profitable, sport is big business - a huge magnet for customers and football is by some way the most popular sport in this country. Other sports such as cricket have also been grabbed, but its football that is major and targeting that was always inevitable - make it a loss leader for the first few years and once big enough you can start to make huge profits - it really was inevitable.

You really can't just blame or wish pay TV away, and blame it all on the leading supplier, if it hadn't been them it would have happened anyway, the premier league as a business has taken advantage, and it is a business - it will try and make money and future moves into putting matches on other platforms such as Amazon will happen too. it's almost like bemoaning the way of the world we live live in today. It's market driven and businesses must maximize profits.

I accept pay TV was inevitable, and I accept TV was always going to put more money into English football as it was a much bigger league, but the vast difference in money it gives to both countries is like some kind of self fulfilling prophecy, in which by giving one league an outrageous amount of money you create a huge gap, and have a situation where very few people outside of Scotland are interested in games up here, when they used to feature players like Larsson, Di Canio, Gscoigne and Laudrup, but now has players very few people outside of their own countries have heard of.

 

[larbert toffee]

I accept pay TV was inevitable, and I accept TV was always going to put more money into English football as it was a much bigger league, but the vast difference in money it gives to both countries is like some kind of self fulfilling prophecy, in which by giving one league an outrageous amount of money you create a huge gap, and have a situation where very few people outside of Scotland are interested in games up here, when they used to feature players like Larsson, Di Canio, Gscoigne and Laudrup, but now has players very few people outside of their own countries have heard of.

Unfortunately that was in the aftermath of the English clubs being barred from Europe, perhaps if the same scenario with Sky money was about then and taking into account the calibre of players that you named and others beside, there would have possibly been more investment in Scottish football but without it as what happened the stars up here tailed off and the decent players chased the money back down South, sad but true.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I accept pay TV was inevitable, and I accept TV was always going to put more money into English football as it was a much bigger league, but the vast difference in money it gives to both countries is like some kind of self fulfilling prophecy, in which by giving one league an outrageous amount of money you create a huge gap, and have a situation where very few people outside of Scotland are interested in games up here, when they used to feature players like Larsson, Di Canio, Gscoigne and Laudrup, but now has players very few people outside of their own countries have heard of.

Had to laugh at the quote "The power and lure of the Premier League has spoken."

Nope, the power and lure of money has spoken. That's it.

 

[The Celtic View]

Had to laugh at the quote "The power and lure of the Premier League has spoken."

Nope, the power and lure of money has spoken. That's it.

I noticed when Carragher was going on about how great The Premiership is, he neglected to mention that for the majority of it’s clubs survival is the name of the game, in a good season maybe a Europa League spot, and supporters of most clubs who dismiss other leagues are actually basking in the reflected glory from the top four or five clubs in the country.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Had to laugh at the quote "The power and lure of the Premier League has spoken."

Nope, the power and lure of money has spoken. That's it.

But one infers the other anyway, the financial chasm was the theme of the whole article.