Scottish football

[The Celtic View]

I would say that critics of Rangers were very disappointed, when the club adapted a more open minded approach to recruiting players. A stick that they loved beating the club with, was removed so to speak. Plenty of catholics signed for Rangers, before this supposed policy was enforced (it was more of a routine by accident that the club developed, than an official rule as such), and there have been plenty of catholics who have played for Rangers since, including irish catholics. It's no longer an issue, although i am aware, that there are plenty of people, who still want it to be an issue.

Two things. 1 You're a tad cavalier in your use of the word plenty, Corky.

2 - It was no accident that Rangers refused to employ a Catholic for around 70 years. They actively discriminated against Catholics at every kevel of the club for well over half a century.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

The leagues not over yet for Celtic, and I'm talking about 2nd place. (Champions League 2nd Round qualifier). If Lennon is staying until the end of the season, it might be worth putting a punt on Aberdeen or Hibs getting 2nd.

You serious.
My local club is pish poor just now .
Hibs not much better.
The onus should be on the Don's and Hibees to make Celtics season even worse.
The covid is killing the Don's as is mcinnes budget busting wage.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Two things. 1 You're a tad cavalier in your use of the word plenty, Corky.

2 - It was no accident that Rangers refused to employ a Catholic for around 70 years. They actively discriminated against Catholics at every kevel of the club for well over half a century.

Celtic were founded to help the poor and impoverished catholic community in Glasgow. So of course catholics would develop an affinity towards them. There wasn't officially an anti catholics signing policy at Rangers. Rangers were traditionally a very socially conservative club, that was set in it's own ways. Rangers were not a popular club with catholics.

You make it sound that catholics, were banging down the doors of Ibrox, to sign for the club. Which wasn't the case at all. Catholics by and large did not want to sign for Rangers, and the club did not really go out of it's way to convince them otherwise. So i think a combination of both of these reasons, was how Rangers ended up, not signing a catholic player for so many years.

 

[larbert toffee]

Celtic were founded to help the poor and impoverished catholic community in Glasgow. So of course catholics would develop an affinity towards them. There wasn't officially an anti catholics signing policy at Rangers. Rangers were traditionally a very socially conservative club, that was set in it's own ways. Rangers were not a popular club with catholics.

You make it sound that catholics, were banging down the doors of Ibrox, to sign for the club. Which wasn't the case at all. Catholics by and large did not want to sign for Rangers, and the club did not really go out of it's way to convince them otherwise. So i think a combination of both of these reasons, was how Rangers ended up, not signing a catholic player for so many years.

For years you were saying on here that there was no such thing as Rangers not signing Catholics and giving us an obscure example of one in 18 dot dot, now you're admitting it but saying it was an 'Accident' get real Corky, they might have changed their tune nowadays at the new club but the knuckle dragging support is still entrenched in the old club's values and you're one of them with your continual whataboutery just admit it was in place and leave it there your embarrassing yourself as per usual.

 

[The Celtic View]

Celtic were founded to help the poor and impoverished catholic community in Glasgow. So of course catholics would develop an affinity towards them. There wasn't officially an anti catholics signing policy at Rangers. Rangers were traditionally a very socially conservative club, that was set in it's own ways. Rangers were not a popular club with catholics.

You make it sound that catholics, were banging down the doors of Ibrox, to sign for the club. Which wasn't the case at all. Catholics by and large did not want to sign for Rangers, and the club did not really go out of it's way to convince them otherwise. So i think a combination of both of these reasons, was how Rangers ended up, not signing a catholic player for so many years.

Eh? It might not have been written down on paper but refusing to employ a Catholic was absolutely, 100%, club policy.

You said plenty of Catholics had signed for Rangers before they introduced the No Catholics policy. What happened to change the situation in which plenty of Catholics wanted to play for Rangers to no Catholics wanting to play for the club?

Don Kitchenbrand managed to slip through the net by keeping it a secret that he was a Catholic. Some Rangers players, Alex Ferguson being one of them, have felt they were forced out of the club for committing the heinous crime of even marrying a Catholic!

I accept the No Catholics policy changed a long time ago, but to deny Rangers refused to employ a Catholic for well over 50 years is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Unwritten laws are normally ones that companies/businesses are too embarrassed to legislate as written laws.

 

[Debunkology]

You serious.
My local club is pish poor just now .
Hibs not much better.
The onus should be on the Don's and Hibees to make Celtics season even worse.
The covid is killing the Don's as is mcinnes budget busting wage.

Well to be fair, one of the most annoying things about the SPL is the inability of a third club capitlizing when one of the Old Firm is doing poorly. But I've watched nearly all of Celtics games this season and the season is going from bad to worse.

 

[The Celtic View]

Well to be fair, one of the most annoying things about the SPL is the inability of a third club capitlizing when one of the Old Firm is doing poorly. But I've watched nearly all of Celtics games this season and the season is going from bad to worse.

Though I want Celtic to win the title every year, I would prefer it it if things were like the 80's when Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Dundee United, won the league, and Hearts came close to winning it.

I can't see that ever happening again. It would take some billionaire sinking money into one of the cubs outside Glasgow.

 

[catcherintherye]

I would say that critics of Rangers were very disappointed, when the club adapted a more open minded approach to recruiting players. A stick that they loved beating the club with, was removed so to speak. Plenty of catholics signed for Rangers, before this supposed policy was enforced (it was more of a routine by accident that the club developed, than an official rule as such), and there have been plenty of catholics who have played for Rangers since, including irish catholics. It's no longer an issue, although i am aware, that there are plenty of people, who still want it to be an issue.

These things are never coincidence mate.

Liverpool and Rangers were the last 2 clubs to break that taboo. It was no accident. Neither should club should ever be forgiven what they did.

 

[davek]

Jonjoe to Celtic.

Hope he slide tackles Eddie Munster in a few weeks time.

 

[Debunkology]

Though I want Celtic to win the title every year, I would prefer it it if things were like the 80's when Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Dundee United, won the league, and Hearts came close to winning it.

I can't see that ever happening again. It would take some billionaire sinking money into one of the cubs outside Glasgow.

Never understood why a billionaire hasn't been interested in sinking money into Hearts or Hibs. Two clubs with untapped potential.

As for Jonjoe, he's a better defensive rb than frimpong. Just won't bomb down the wings as much simply to put in a bad cross.

 

[The Celtic View]

If only you were allowed to swear on here...

 

[Cork Evertonian]

These things are never coincidence mate.

Liverpool and Rangers were the last 2 clubs to break that taboo. It was no accident. Neither should club should ever be forgiven what they did.

I've already explained my views and reasons why Rangers so called signing policy happened. To be honest with you, i won't change that opinion for anyone. In fact what i would say to you and anyone else for that matter, is that i stand over everything i said 100%. That's just my own personal views on the subject. Catholics by and large at the time did not wish to sign for Rangers, and the club did not go out of it's way to convince them otherwise, which was wrong i admit. Both Rangers and Celtic have had issues with sectarianism and religious bigotry.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

These things are never coincidence mate.

Liverpool and Rangers were the last 2 clubs to break that taboo. It was no accident. Neither should club should ever be forgiven what they did.

It’s nonsense to suggest any catholic-Protestant affiliation to Merseyside clubs. There is zero evidence of it.

The only taboo with a Merseyside club was black players signing for Everton, so much so then manager and owner had to come out and address it:

Everton and Racism

Nowadays, you wouldn’t consider Everton a racist club. You wouldn’t give it a single thought. However, once upon a time, they had a bad reputation. Fans made racist chants more often th…

www.efcstatto.com

The end of summer 1994, Everton signed Nigerian striker Daniel Amokachi from Club Brugge for £3 million, becoming Everton’s first black player in 19 years. The acquisition of Amokachi hoped to help Everton eradicate their reputation as a racist club, however Peter Johnson and Mike Walker assured that Everton signed him because of his ability, not the colour of his skin.

Colour has nothing to do with it. It’s purely about a player’s ability at Everton.

Peter Johnson

At this club, we don’t care what colour players are. They can be blue, green or red as far as I’m concerned… Well, perhaps we might draw the line at red!

Black players were still being racially abused by a minority of Everton fans. Chelsea’s Ruud Gullit was the victim of some horrendous slurs, as told by David Goldblatt:

Gullit was perceived as an alien and as a threat for a myriad of reasons. Foreign, well-spoken, even erudite, his stylish continental masculinity – with football skills to match – ran against the grain of almost every unspoken social and sporting norm of the Everton crowd. Yet while they abused him for having long hair, and threatening the Everton goal, his race became visible. For the record, the day’s epithets, from fans of all ages, included:

• “Get off the pitch, ya f**kin’ gollywog!”
• “[Poor language removed] off the pitch, ya f**kin’ n****r!”
• “[Poor language removed] off, ya hippy!”
• “[Poor language removed] off, ya black c**t!”
• “F**kin’ cheatin’ divin’ black c**t!”
• “K**bhead!”
• “Woghead!”
• “Gollywog!”
• “N****r!”

No-one, needless to say, was arrested that day under the Football Offences Act 1991.

Les Ferdinand faced the racist wrath of Everton fans once again in 1996:

What does anger me is when you see parents doing it in front of their kids. When Newcastle played at Goodison on the opening day of the 1996/97 season, I picked up an injury and needed treatment on the perimeter track. As I sat by the touchline, dads in the stand were hurling all kinds of abuse at me, much of it racist, as their sons sat beside them. Those kids will think it is perfectly normal to carry on like that. What I can’t understand is that sort of attitude coming from followers of a team which has included Daniel Amokachi and Earl Barrett.

Following Les Ferdinand’s comments in his autobiography, Everton secretary Michael Dunford proclaimed that the club is trying its best to clamp down on racism.

We do get a little bit tired of this [reputation of being a racist club] being attached to us in particular. Les Ferdinand is entitled to say that he has had problems with Everton fans, but what has happened in the past is history. We have some very good black players at this club and our fans are fully supportive of them. We have worked very hard to tackle this problem and get our house in order.
We are not complacent, but we honestly believe that any problem which might still exist here is no worse than at any other club in the country. The problem exists as it does elsewhere, but it is a very small minority and we believe that we are going down the right road to reduce it still further.

However, their attempts didn’t seem to be successful as at the turn of the millennium, Everton were named Britain’s most racist club. In a survey of 33,000 fans ran by the University of Leicester, 38% said they heard racist comments from Everton fans. By comparison, the next four were Rangers (36%), Celtic (35%), West Ham (32%) and Newcastle (31%).

 

[Cork Evertonian]

It’s nonsense to suggest any catholic-Protestant affiliation to Merseyside clubs. There is zero evidence of it.

The only taboo with a Merseyside club was black players signing for Everton, so much so then manager and owner had to come out and address it:

Everton and Racism

Nowadays, you wouldn’t consider Everton a racist club. You wouldn’t give it a single thought. However, once upon a time, they had a bad reputation. Fans made racist chants more often th…

www.efcstatto.com

The end of summer 1994, Everton signed Nigerian striker Daniel Amokachi from Club Brugge for £3 million, becoming Everton’s first black player in 19 years. The acquisition of Amokachi hoped to help Everton eradicate their reputation as a racist club, however Peter Johnson and Mike Walker assured that Everton signed him because of his ability, not the colour of his skin.


Peter Johnson



Black players were still being racially abused by a minority of Everton fans. Chelsea’s Ruud Gullit was the victim of some horrendous slurs, as told by David Goldblatt:


Les Ferdinand faced the racist wrath of Everton fans once again in 1996:


Following Les Ferdinand’s comments in his autobiography, Everton secretary Michael Dunford proclaimed that the club is trying its best to clamp down on racism.


However, their attempts didn’t seem to be successful as at the turn of the millennium, Everton were named Britain’s most racist club. In a survey of 33,000 fans ran by the University of Leicester, 38% said they heard racist comments from Everton fans. By comparison, the next four were Rangers (36%), Celtic (35%), West Ham (32%) and Newcastle (31%).

The most recent and most high profile racial incident, involving a merseyside club, was the Suarez/Evra incident. An rs player was charged with racism, and the club defended Suarez to the hilt. Dalglish remember only issued an apology, after being ordered to by the board. Everton is the peoples club. It is a club where people of all religions colour and race, are valued and respected.

It is the senior club of the city, with a deeper and richer history than the rs. Yeah yeah 19 league titles, 6 european cups, their big army of mutant freak fans around the world whatever. But i think the moral of the Everton and Liverpool rivalry, is quality over quantity. Did the rs ever have a midfield trio as good as the holy trinity for example? Did an rs ever score 60 league goals in a season? As i said quality over quantity. Those who understand need no explaining, those who don't do not matter.