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laudo9 said:
Still avoiding and trying to deflect from admitting Celtic FC (aka Seperate entity fc) and Celtic Boys Club(the clue is in the name) were one and the same thing?
It's also ironic that 'The Celtic View' printed many articles and pictures showing that for many years Celtic Boys Club and their later convicted paedophile coaches were very much part of the Celtic family!
As for Neely, I don't doubt his victims claims at all but your claim and lame attempt to suggest that somehow Rangers had a similar blind eye approach to child abuse that Celtic obviously did is pretty desperate,As far as I'm aware there was one incident that was reported to Rangers by the boys father and Rangers sacked him as soon as they were made aware of any wrongdoing and reported him to the authorities what else were they meant to do? (sweep it under the carpet?)
Celtic have 5 convicted paedophiles now that worked under their watch for their boys club and you (just like your club) are denying that they have a duty to admit negligence in their duty of care within their boys club and compensate any victims involved.
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An "Ibrox spokesman" (nobody was stupid enough to put their name to such a transparent cover up) claimed Rangers sacked Neely, and contacted the police.

Mark Daly discovered that Rangers put out a statement in the club newspaper The Rangers News saying that Neely had resigned for business reasons, and wished him well for the future. Now I'm no legal expert I must admit, but doesn't it seem a tad strange that a club claiming to have sacked a man, and reported him to the police, for the alleged abuse of teenage boys would then say he had resigned for business reasons, and wish him every success in the future? It seems absolutely bizarre to me.

Not only did Rangers cover up for Neely in the 90's TRIFC are still covering it up to this day with blatant lies about contacting the authorities. Though it was wrong, I'm not criticising Rangers for their actions in the 90's. The fact that hundreds of clubs are being investigated in the abuse in football police investigation would indicate that getting rid of alleged perverts, and keeping it quiet, seems to be the way clubs rolled back in the day.

The problem for Rangers is that their fans have had a 20 year campaign vilifying Jock stein, with tens of thousands of bigots singing "Big Jock knew" and "Who shagged all the boys?" etc and saying all he had to do was pick up the phone and report Torbett. Now it turns out Graeme, Walter, Sir David, and the unnamed coach who accused one of Neely's victims of lying about his friend have all been involved in the cover up for a predatory paedophile allowing Neely to open a guest house and coaching school in the East Coast of Scotland.

Using your own supporters criteria, Graeme, Walter, and Sir David etc all knew, and could have picked up the phone to report him, but decided to hush it up. TRIFC are in an impossible position. They are faced with the dilemma of either continuing with the cover up, or admit their legends from the past did the same thing that their bigoted hordes have been accusing the Celtic staff of doing. As we now know, they chose to continue with the cover up for Neely.

How can you not know this? Were you too busy salivating at the thought of perverts at Celtic Boys Club you completely took your eyes off the news about what went on at your former club? A more cynical guy than me could get the impression you know this only too well, but have decided to back the cover up by both your clubs.

Are you really so stupid as to believe calling a club Celtic Boys Club automatically means they're legally a part of Celtic? In the 60's if someone from Scotland asked Everton's permission to use their name, and received the odd gift of kit etc in return for Everton getting first dibs on players would that mean Everton would have to pay any debt run up by that boys club, or be responsible for the action of coaches it took no part in appointing, even though Everton had made sure it was a separate organisation legally?

As I said, covering up for a predatory paedophile isn't even remotely close to being the worst cover up at Ibrox.
 
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The Celtic View said:
An "Ibrox spokesman" (nobody was stupid enough to put their name to such a transparent cover up) claimed Rangers sacked Neely, and contacted the police.

Mark Daly discovered that Rangers put out a statement in the club newspaper The Rangers News saying that Neely had resigned for business reasons, and wished him well for the future. Now I'm no legal expert I must admit, but doesn't it seem a tad strange that a club claiming to have sacked a man, and reported him to the police, for the alleged abuse of teenage boys would then say he had resigned for business reasons, and wish him every success in the future? It seems absolutely bizarre to me.

Not only did Rangers cover up for Neely in the 90's TRIFC are still covering it up to this day with blatant lies about contacting the authorities. Though it was wrong, I'm not criticising Rangers for their actions in the 90's. The fact that hundreds of clubs are being investigated in the abuse in football police investigation would indicate that getting rid of alleged perverts, and keeping it quiet, seems to be the way clubs rolled back in the day.

The problem for Rangers is that their fans have had a 20 year campaign vilifying Jock stein, with tens of thousands of bigots singing "Big Jock knew" and "Who shagged all the boys?" etc and saying all he had to do was pick up the phone and report Torbett. Now it turns out Graeme, Walter, Sir David, and the unnamed coach who accused one of Neely's victims of lying about his friend have all been involved in the cover up for a predatory paedophile allowing Neely to open a guest house and coaching school in the East Coast of Scotland.

Using your own supporters criteria, Graeme, Walter, and Sir David etc all knew, and could have picked up the phone to report him, but decided to hush it up. TRIFC are in an impossible position. They are faced with the dilemma of either continuing with the cover up, or admit their legends from the past did the same thing that their bigoted hordes have been accusing the Celtic staff of doing. As we now know, they chose to continue with the cover up for Neely.

How can you not know this? Were you too busy salivating at the thought of perverts at Celtic Boys Club you completely took your eyes off the news about what went on at your former club? A more cynical guy than me could get the impression you know this only too well, but have decided to back the cover up by both your clubs.

Are you really so stupid as to believe calling a club Celtic Boys Club automatically means they're legally a part of Celtic? In the 60's if someone from Scotland asked Everton's permission to use their name, and received the odd gift of kit etc in return for Everton getting first dibs on players would that mean Everton would have to pay any debt run up by that boys club, or be responsible for the action of coaches it took no part in appointing, even though Everton had made sure it was a separate organisation legally?

As I said, covering up for a predatory paedophile isn't even remotely close to being the worst cover up at Ibrox.
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Still in denial I see, sad wee man that you are!
 
laudo9 said:
Still in denial I see, sad wee man that you are!
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You're a fantasist. I haven't denied anything about Celtic Boys Club, not one single thing.

You're the one in denial, even claiming that the cover up for Neely was unfounded whataboutery. You wouldn't expect Mark Daly of the BBC to get involved in unfounded whataboutery.

He discovered Rangers put out a statement in the club newspaper that Gordon Neely had resigned for business reasons. Why did they do that when they claim they had sacked him, and reported him to the police for the alleged abuse of boys? Are you going to accuse Mark Daly of fabricating evidence? If you accept he hasn't faked his story on The Rangers News item, surely you must accept your club didn't report Neely to the police?

As for being a sad wee man, you brought up Separate Entity FC. Like most of the zombie hordes, you absolutely love talking about cover ups at Celtic Boys Club, but you don't like it when the facts about Separate Company FC's cover up's are mentioned.
 
The Celtic View said:
You're a fantasist. I haven't denied anything about Celtic Boys Club, not one single thing.

You're the one in denial, even claiming that the cover up for Neely was unfounded whataboutery. You wouldn't expect Mark Daly of the BBC to get involved in unfounded whataboutery.

He discovered Rangers put out a statement in the club newspaper that Gordon Neely had resigned for business reasons. Why did they do that when they claim they had sacked him, and reported him to the police for the alleged abuse of boys? Are you going to accuse Mark Daly of fabricating evidence? If you accept he hasn't faked his story on The Rangers News item, surely you must accept your club didn't report Neely to the police?

As for being a sad wee man, you brought up Separate Entity FC. Like most of the zombie hordes, you absolutely love talking about cover ups at Celtic Boys Club, but you don't like it when the facts about Separate Company FC's cover up's are mentioned.
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Fantasist! This coming from the sad sack that tries to convince everyone he communicates with that Rangers somehow don't exist!!

As for bringing up Celtic's shame in covering up child abuse,it's pretty pathetic that you keep going on about one incident that happened with Neely as some sort of justification for Celtics shame, you went off on your ridiculous whataboutery rant in reaction to your club being labelled(which Celtic FC came up with themselves) as 'Seperate Entity FC' so that in it's self obviously hits a nerve with you.

So, if you don't deny what happened at Celtic Boys Club,why wont you admit to Celtic FC's failure in protecting vulnerable children from predatory paedophile's involved with their Boys Club and after being subsequently being made aware of it then proceeded to ignore it and then incredibly then re-employ one of them after initially sacking him for what they knew he was up to! The fact that you don't makes you as bad as the club you support by continuing to deny and deflect that Celtic FC have tried to cover up what can only be described as a paedophile ring that operated within their company and to this day refuse to apologise to and compensate any of the victims?
 
The Celtic View said:
The 55 is only a thing because it carries on the continuity lie.

I can understand 25, 50, 75, and 100 being considered milestones. I can also understand even numbers going up in tens like 60, 70, 80 etc, but The 55? Why was there no The 15, or The 35? I don't remember anything being made of The 45, so why all of a sudden is The 55 a thing? :)
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Does 55 mean they overtake Linfield to become "the most successful" club in British football?

That's all I can think of. Impressive though it is to win 55 titles (I actually think the arguments over the lineage are silly. It's still Rangers. It's not like we pretend that AFC Wimbledon don't have that 88 Cup Final win as part of their lineage is it?) 55 isn't a traditional milestone figure
 

laudo9 said:
Fantasist! This coming from the sad sack that tries to convince everyone he communicates with that Rangers somehow don't exist!!

As for bringing up Celtic's shame in covering up child abuse,it's pretty pathetic that you keep going on about one incident that happened with Neely as some sort of justification for Celtics shame, you went off on your ridiculous whataboutery rant in reaction to your club being labelled(which Celtic FC came up with themselves) as 'Seperate Entity FC' so that in it's self obviously hits a nerve with you.

So, if you don't deny what happened at Celtic Boys Club,why wont you admit to Celtic FC's failure in protecting vulnerable children from predatory paedophile's involved with their Boys Club and after being subsequently being made aware of it then proceeded to ignore it and then incredibly then re-employ one of them after initially sacking him for what they knew he was up to! The fact that you don't makes you as bad as the club you support by continuing to deny and deflect that Celtic FC have tried to cover up what can only be described as a paedophile ring that operated within their company and to this day refuse to apologise to and compensate any of the victims?
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Seriously, are you mentally ill? you've asked me a question, then condemned me for not answering it all in the one post.

I accept the word of every man who says he was abused by someone working for Celtic Boys Club. Obviously the boys weren't protected, but I can't see what anyone can do about something they didn't know went on.

If Torbbett had a second stint at Celtic Boys Club after being thrown out Celtic Park by Jock Stein then that would obviously be completely different, and absolutely disgraceful behaviour from the Celtic board. Any abuse suffered by youngsters in his second spell is down to the negligence of the Celtic board, in my opinion.

Now, can i trust you won't make up any more lies about me regarding denying anything at Celtic Boys Club. I'll repeated i have not denied anything, NOT ONE SINGLE THING, about what went one at Celtic Boys Club. You appear to have a very slight grasp on reality, but surely even yu should be able to understand what I've just posted.

Now, what is your view o the youngsters who said they were abused by Gordon Neely, and Harry Dunn, but rangers did nothing? Are they lying? One victim said it was reported to Souness himself, but the matter wasn't reported to the police. Not only that, he said another unnamed coach accused him of making up lies about his friend Neely!

Now here's the thing, either those victims are lying or the "Ibrox spokesman!" who said Rangers contacted the police about Neely is lying. Hmm, now who to believe? If only there was some evidence, like a story in the club newspaper saying Neely had resigned for business reasons.

You're the only one in denial here, Brainiac. A BBC investigative reporter finds an article in The Rangers News that shows the "Ibrox spokesman" is lying through his teeth, yet you call it unfounded whataboutery. So how about answering my question. Who do you think is lying about Rangers contacting the police, the victims, or the "Ibrox spokesman? One side is definitely lying, and I know who the smart money is on.

As for paedophile rings, your club had Neely and Dunn, amongst others, who managed to escape justice. Neely was in close contact with Cairney of Celtic Boys Club. If there was a ring, and I have no doubt there was, your coach was in it.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Does 55 mean they overtake Linfield to become "the most successful" club in British football?

That's all I can think of. Impressive though it is to win 55 titles (I actually think the arguments over the lineage are silly. It's still Rangers. It's not like we pretend that AFC Wimbledon don't have that 88 Cup Final win as part of their lineage is it?) 55 isn't a traditional milestone figure
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They went the same way as Airdrieonians, and Gretna. There was none of the "You can't liquidate a club back then for those clubs. Also there was none of the old "It was only the operating company that was liquidated when Airdrie United, and Gretna 2008 started up.

TRIFC have benefitted from cheating that Airdrie United and Gretna didn't get. grown men were crying in the street on the day rangers were liquidated. You don't get that over an operating company, unless you owned that company. They were crying because they knew what had happened. They didn't know a back room deal was being done to allow TRIFC to assume the identity of Rangers.

As for Linfield, I haven't heard one single supporter of TRIFC claim the 55 was anything to do with beating Linfield's record. I'm not saying no one has said that, but I definitely haven't seen it.
 

WA Toffee said:
And these last couple of pages illustrate perfectly why normal Scottish people have a deep dislike for both Celtic and Rangers.

Please can we send them to the English leagues?
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I understand, and realise we're polluting an Everton forum with a who has the worst cover up's argument, but posting about decades old cover up's is always, every singe time, started by a Rangers fan revelling in the abuse youngsters suffered at Celtic Boys Club.

This has been going on for 20 years. After around 10 years of walking away from their Scheidt I decided enough was enough, and if anyone try's to point score over scandals at Celtic, their own clubs past will be mentioned.

If Liverpool fans were taunting Everton about a scandal from the past, eventually your fans would bring up things that had gone on at Liverpool.
 

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