2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[MikeH72]

Who has said we’re aiming for 17th and who has said he’ll be a miracle worker if he gets us 17th this season?

I doubt anyone can aim for 17th, you try and finish as high as you can but equally just because we want to win the league doesn’t mean a squad that’s probably somewhere between 13-16th best is going to do it.

@davek multiple times.

 

[davek]

@davek multiple times.

Nope. I said that's the base line he'll not go beyond.

 

[Delargeinho]

Spot on analysis- we were dreadful on the ball yesterday- second half we were just hoofing it long expecting calvert lewin to out jump dan burn and even if he somehow won it there was no-one within 20 yards of him. The only attack we had was because tonali passed the ball straight to mcneil.

I’m tolerating this dross this season as its the culmination of lack of investment in the team over a sustained period and we’ve got a very limited manager with one job - to keep us in the league.

Next season however, assuming the takeover goes through, i expect a hell of a lot better - new coach, new stadium, new philosophy.

Just to say: They didn't create a lot for the amount of times they got into our danger zone. Been a bit a lucky there.

Min 60: 9 vs 43 touches in the opponent's box. Against the top 4 sides we might lose this game easily.

 

[Blue peter]

Spot on analysis- we were dreadful on the ball yesterday- second half we were just hoofing it long expecting calvert lewin to out jump dan burn and even if he somehow won it there was no-one within 20 yards of him. The only attack we had was because tonali passed the ball straight to mcneil.

I’m tolerating this dross this season as its the culmination of lack of investment in the team over a sustained period and we’ve got a very limited manager with one job - to keep us in the league.

Next season however, assuming the takeover goes through, i expect a hell of a lot better - new coach, new stadium, new philosophy.

This is what I don’t get. People are using the milestone of us moving to a new stadium as being the precipitous trigger for a new kind of football, new expectation of performance etc. Why? It wont change anything unless we attempt to improve our performance now. A new stadium will bring the same challenges in terms of the team that we have now. Additional income generated for transfers won’t be use until summer of 26.

 

[Neiler]

I expect maybe a bit lower than that, tbf. 13/14th from us would be about right for the squad we have. I think we're a more than decent bottom half of the table team.

As for Ndiaye and McNeil: Ndiaye is a classic ball hugger. No matter who's around him his tendency is to get control of the ball and keep his head down and slalom in and out of opponents. It's great to see when it comes off and reminds us all of those kids at school who were brilliant at doing it. He's a real throwback and a treat in that respect.

McNeil must be brought into the game more. Yes, Garner could service him with balls to feet, but my inclination is to keep Garner at RB as he adds much needed balance. Regardless, McNeil and DCL need to be playing closer to each other.

It'll be fascinating to see what happens when a force like Broja steps into this team. He's be a hard running CF who enjoys hunting with a partner.

The club has budgeted for 15th down financially so anything else is a bonus.

Feel we need to be savy with McNeill and Illy, one thing that doesn't get talked about enough is our players in game intelligence - its not very good as a team. If we take yesterday Illy was getting double teamed and we had the inability to set a trap - if two are on Illy then someone is free somewhere else, you accept Illy is getting shut down, but you set the trap and free up the man in space. We have that opportunity with Illy and McNeill. We didn't exploit that yesterday.

The challenge for Dwight is what we saw yesterday, he got attention from the 6 and center half, also feel he can be easily be shifted out to his right if hes facing into a full deck, the challenge for him is positionally to sit in pockets and take up positions were he can support the play and were he can dictate and progress the play creating jeopardy for the 6 and center half if they twist and close him. That's also important off the ball as play progresses elsewhere.

Dom doesn't compliment the other two in my opinion - he doesn't have the same skill set with ball at feet and hes not on the same mental waive length - we should move on - if we have any comfort this year, then be interesting to experiment a bit with Chermitti and Broja. I expect Broja to be more of a wing forward coming in of the right and making it two up top at times - hes very good technically, a coaches dream - you'd love to get hold him.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The reality is these teams in the league all have better squads than we do:

City, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, West Ham, Fulham


We’re then in a group with Palace, Forest, Bournemouth Wolves of probably similar levels of squad. They might want Pickford Branthwaite Calvert Lewin in their teams but we’d sure take Guehi Wharton Eze.

Then there’s Leicester Ipswich Southampton and possibly Brentford who I wouldn’t swap out squad for.

So I think we have a squad that is somewhere between 12th- 16th best in the league which is probably dictated by injuries out of that middling group.

It’s definitely progression from Jan 23 when I thought we had the 2nd worst squad in the league after Southampton.

my personal opinion is I actually think Palace’s squad is slightly better and deeper. So let’s say 13th is par for Dyche.

Considering we would have finished round about there last season as well it’s not a far reach to think that we’ll be in a range of that again, perhaps under if injuries are bad, perhaps slightly over if they’re not and we hit some decent form.

If people are expecting more this season though then that really should be directed at the squad quality. Otherwise you’re asking a manager who you think is a complete clown and can’t train a tactics session to outperform his squad quality by a considerable amount just to even make the top ten. Thats illogical. You can’t think he’s the worst manager in the league but also hold a minimum expectation that he should be outperforming his peers.

I think we’ll end up at the end of the season exactly where our squad quality dictates, somewhere between 12th and 16th. It’s the reality of where we are. If we want to change the reality we have to massively invest in the squad.

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

4 points out of 6.
The gaffer is getting a tune out of these players.

You watch. We go on a great win now the players are all Dyche Fit

 

[Dario Terracotta]

It's been mentioned previously but he does appear to set us up like a non league team playing one of the big boys every single week home and away, mitigating circumstances yesterday yes,20/30% possession most games is ridiculous,yes against city, arsenal etc maybe but how the hell do we expect to win games under these circumstances?,the players we have,whilst not worldbeaters are technically good enough to control games to a far better level than we are seeing,I just pray this takeover goes through and the Friedkens have a progressive coach with staff lined up to take us forward.

 

[davek]

The club has budgeted for 15th down financially so anything else is a bonus.

Feel we need to be savy with McNeill and Illy, one thing that doesn't get talked about enough is our players in game intelligence - its not very good as a team. If we take yesterday Illy was getting double teamed and we had the inability to set a trap - if two are on Illy then someone is free somewhere else, you accept Illy is getting shut down, but you set the trap and free up the man in space. We have that opportunity with Illy and NDaiye.

The challenge for Dwight is what we saw yesterday, he got attention from the 6 and center half, also feel he can be easily shifted out to his right if hes facing into a full deck, the challenge for him is positionally to sit in pockets and take up positions were he can support the play and were he can dictate and progress the play creating jeopardy for the 6 and center half if they twist and close him. That's also important off the ball as play progresses elsewhere.

Dom doesn't compliment the other two in my opinion - he doesn't have the same skill set with ball at feet and hes not on the same mental waive length we should move on - if we have any comfort this year, then be interesting to experiment a bit with Chermitti and Broja. I expect Broja to be more of a wing forward coming in of the right and making it two up top at times - hes very good technically, a coaches dream you'd love to get hold him.

As said on Idiaye: he enjoys keeping hold of the ball. Maybe a plan was hatched to exploit Newcasle doubling up on him but the player's tendency is to hug the ball a bit too much.

McNeil: couldn't agree more. He has to maintain discipline and be patient that he'll get a ball to feet centrally that he can exploit. He does drift into his 'natural'postion too much. To be expected I suppose.

But those two have exceptional talent and Dyche has found a place for both in his team...which gives the lie to those saying he's looking to play sterile football.

 

[Neiler]

4 points out of 6.
The gaffer is getting a tune out of these players.

You watch. We go on a great win now the players are all Dyche Fit

5!

 

[nsno-chris]

5!

How do you get 5 points out of 6

Please explain that logic???

 

[hallamblue]

How do you get 5 points out of 6

Please explain that logic???

I think they mean 5 from the last 3 games.

 

[Saint Domingo]

As said on Idiaye: he enjoys keeping hold of the ball. Maybe a plan was hatched to exploit Newcasle doubling up on him but the player's tendency is to hug the ball a bit too much.

McNeil: couldn't agree more. He has to maintain discipline and be patient that he'll get a ball to feet centrally that he can exploit. He does drift into his 'natural'postion too much. To be expected I suppose.

But those two have exceptional talent and Dyche has found a place for both in his team...which gives the lie to those saying he's looking to play sterile football.

Ndiaye is playing well for a player that the manager apparently was never going to start regularly for us.

 

[EarlthePearl]

It's been mentioned previously but he does appear to set us up like a non league team playing one of the big boys every single week home and away, mitigating circumstances yesterday yes,20/30% possession most games is ridiculous,yes against city, arsenal etc maybe but how the hell do we expect to win games under these circumstances?,the players we have,whilst not worldbeaters are technically good enough to control games to a far better level than we are seeing,I just pray this takeover goes through and the Friedkens have a progressive coach with staff lined up to take us forward.

We won last weekend

 

[Neiler]

As said on Idiaye: he enjoys keeping hold of the ball. Maybe a plan was hatched to exploit Newcasle doubling up on him but the player's tendency is to hug the ball a bit too much.

McNeil: couldn't agree more. He has to maintain discipline and be patient that he'll get a ball to feet centrally that he can exploit. He does drift into his 'natural'postion too much. To be expected I suppose.

But those two have exceptional talent and Dyche has found a place for both in his team...which gives the lie to those saying he's looking to play sterile football.

He does like to the hold the ball and he can hurt, but i guess a fair question is what alternative do we give him, we don't have an overlapping fullback he can lay it off to, Dom doesn't tend to come over, so hes either going behind to central midfield or taking it on. Newcastle's plan was to flood the lines, going forward with wide forwards and over lapping full backs and then have both double team both Harrison and N'Daye, at times Illy took up three and when that happens someone is free somewhere - its a model for a trap.

You can see the manager trying to transition it, play with more attacking creativity, the difficulty is the balance - too much - you have the first three games - not enough - we dont score. Now the injuries since the start defensively haven't helped that balance - but you can see the plan and you can see it biting in the last three as players have come back.

We are playing some very nice stuff in phases, i often feel im watching a very different game to others when i peak in here - but then one or two of the more experienced posters come in and reassure me i was at the right game.